Message from @Draugra

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2018-03-30 14:04:45 UTC  

People who are necessary to operate them are already bought by their inclusion in the structure

2018-03-30 14:05:05 UTC  

Everything else can be manipulated through the action-reaction principle

2018-03-30 14:05:45 UTC  

You can manufacture a consequence with such power no matter how much people dont wish those consequences, merely by giving them a powerful stimulus to act your way

2018-03-30 14:06:03 UTC  

For this reason alone is democracy distributed, which wherever the system is absent tends to perish quickly

2018-03-30 14:06:46 UTC  

Democracy is very potent at distributing your stimulus, so people will perform a necessary operation that will eventually lead to results *you* demand

2018-03-30 14:07:56 UTC  

So only two principles oppose the system, namely, the nurturing of absolute and lucid sovereignty, and promotion of relativism and cynicism regarding *all* motions produced within the system

2018-03-30 14:08:51 UTC  

But even that taken into account, nobody really has a proper response to the might of the technological-political complex except to propagate against it *conceptually*

2018-03-30 14:09:16 UTC  

To insist that whatever is produced under its framework is ultimately bad

2018-03-30 14:39:40 UTC  
2018-03-30 14:40:10 UTC  

It is a simple issue. The people want "equality" and they want unaccountability in the form of "liberty" and so, they hire whoever seems to fit these desires. The People, for the sake of assured inclusion, want used car salesmen on top.

2018-03-30 14:40:20 UTC  
2018-03-30 14:40:42 UTC  

@Arthur Konrad @Draugra I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DRAUGRA

2018-03-30 14:40:47 UTC  

PEOPLE SUCCUMB TO HERD BEHAVIOR

2018-03-30 14:40:56 UTC  

THIS EXPLAINS HOW CIVILIZATIONS THAT ARE WIDELY DISPERSED FAIL THE SAME WAY

2018-03-30 14:41:00 UTC  

ACROSS CULTURES, ACROSS TIME

2018-03-30 14:41:15 UTC  

THIS IS THE FACE OF HUBRIS: PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY IN CONTROL, SO THEY MAKE A DEVIL'S BARGAIN

2018-03-30 14:41:23 UTC  

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE

2018-03-30 14:41:27 UTC  

THIS CREATES THE HERD/CROWD

2018-03-30 14:41:32 UTC  

THIS THEN PURSUES ILLUSION AND IRONISM

2018-03-30 14:41:36 UTC  

DESTROYING THE CIVILIZATION

2018-03-30 14:42:40 UTC  

Herd bahvior alone isn't enough. It is that plus everything else you said.

2018-03-30 14:42:46 UTC  

Both of you ommit the key precept of our age - we don't live in an organic society, that fails as a unified body

2018-03-30 14:43:09 UTC  

The People split it up and then they went on keeping it split.

2018-03-30 14:43:16 UTC  

For the sake of power and ego.

2018-03-30 14:43:50 UTC  

While the majority is clueless and following the instructions given to them by the Elites, The ELites themselves are quite composed in their dealings

2018-03-30 14:44:13 UTC  

I doubt that. I think they are just living impulse going from extreme to extreme.

2018-03-30 14:44:19 UTC  

The Elites are a mechanical group which is not bound in any way to go down with the mob

2018-03-30 14:44:31 UTC  

There is nothing there to doubt, it is evident

2018-03-30 14:45:28 UTC  

The worldview that they harbor is something entirely alien and dehumanized, but it has nothing to do with how previous historical models worked, like, a society reaches the point of maximum popular rule, and all go down

2018-03-30 14:46:07 UTC  

Yes, it is true that the ultimate forces that guide these processes are beyond mere human comprehension and agency

2018-03-30 14:46:33 UTC  

One actor down and they are down. In the obsession with anti fragility they are more fragile than a fabrege. In fact, I would say that it is all part and parcel with being concerned with popular rule in the first place.

2018-03-30 14:46:50 UTC  

And so The ELites are in a sense also following, however, they don't *share* the fates of the subjugated masses, nor are they a part of the picture in the organic, historical-material sense

2018-03-30 14:47:15 UTC  

I agree with that but, it can be easily changed when their money loses relevance.

2018-03-30 14:47:41 UTC  

Yes, except that they don't rule by money, but by controlling the technological and material framework

2018-03-30 14:48:06 UTC  

And yes, they have the grip on everything - oil production, transportation, processor manufacturing, robotics, chemistry, agriculture,

2018-03-30 14:48:10 UTC  

you name it - they have it

2018-03-30 14:48:34 UTC  

not in an abstract sense, but they literally preside over all of that, and ALL of that is multinational, or more correctly - Extranational, that is - private

2018-03-30 14:49:02 UTC  

there is no society to speak of which is going the way of fallen Civilization because Elites are extrasocial

2018-03-30 14:49:10 UTC  

they parasitise on societies

2018-03-30 14:51:43 UTC  

That is true. They do lack competence, though. One good source of funding for alternatives and they are done. However, realizing the severity of the fact that they do indeed have government and industry is a must for making it work. Remember Sanyo? If Sanyo JUST understood that they can't just tell everybody how good their product is and realize that everyone would do everything in their power to destroy it, they would have changed the face of comm as we know it before it even started. If The People just put down their attachment to what gave the elites power, the elites would be made toothless. Because they aren't actually elite at anything, they aren't loved and they don't know how their own products work.

2018-03-30 14:59:18 UTC  

MASSES CREATE FALSE ELITES OUT OF DENIAL THAT THERE ARE NATURAL ELITES