Message from @Blood

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2017-09-28 07:27:47 UTC  

I've been througn socialism. It sucks.

2017-09-28 07:27:57 UTC  

@// tell us your story please.

2017-09-28 07:28:00 UTC  

@// where from?

2017-09-28 07:28:05 UTC  

Russia.

2017-09-28 07:28:22 UTC  

Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government

2017-09-28 07:28:29 UTC  

ah, youve been through a dictatorship@//

2017-09-28 07:28:32 UTC  

Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart

2017-09-28 07:28:39 UTC  

Hi

2017-09-28 07:28:59 UTC  

Thanks Gorbachev

2017-09-28 07:29:09 UTC  

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it

2017-09-28 07:29:26 UTC  

usually a response to capitalism failling a people

2017-09-28 07:29:53 UTC  

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

2017-09-28 07:30:02 UTC  

I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government

2017-09-28 07:30:08 UTC  

It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.

2017-09-28 07:30:18 UTC  

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

2017-09-28 07:30:36 UTC  

Gave most of you serious user and removed @Blood cuck role so if your debate ever gets memed up in main chat you can move to <#356277119862439937> 🙂

2017-09-28 07:30:45 UTC  

And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.

2017-09-28 07:30:52 UTC  

So they're not really socialist

2017-09-28 07:31:01 UTC  

At least, the economy isn't

2017-09-28 07:31:02 UTC  

@king 😃

2017-09-28 07:31:16 UTC  
2017-09-28 07:31:18 UTC  

What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?

2017-09-28 07:31:45 UTC  

@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently

2017-09-28 07:32:12 UTC  

but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty

2017-09-28 07:32:32 UTC  

and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from

2017-09-28 07:32:35 UTC  
2017-09-28 07:32:42 UTC  

I can hear you.

2017-09-28 07:33:48 UTC  

All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?

2017-09-28 07:34:45 UTC  

@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,

2017-09-28 07:35:05 UTC  

@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy

2017-09-28 07:35:16 UTC  

hence should not be innacted

2017-09-28 07:35:16 UTC  

Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.

2017-09-28 07:35:21 UTC  

i agree

2017-09-28 07:35:44 UTC  

but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work

2017-09-28 07:35:52 UTC  

and having some success

2017-09-28 07:36:19 UTC  

also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s

2017-09-28 07:36:24 UTC  

which cripple them

2017-09-28 07:36:43 UTC  

infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions

2017-09-28 07:37:00 UTC  

@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.

2017-09-28 07:37:29 UTC  

I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety

2017-09-28 07:37:31 UTC  

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