the issue with corporations again falls back to corporations having more money to lobby than citizens

@Extra Crispy i mean it just sound like such an ineficient way to deal with the problem "the solution to lobbying is.....more lobbying!" how about no lobbying?

yes

and gov is just there for the people

are you telling me that the rich wouldn't lobby anyway regardless if it were legal or not?

true

that is the problem with, money = power

are you telling me that politicians wouldn't accept those free millions of dollars to 'just do this for us?'

money represents power, and removing money would just change how that power is represented

@CaptainDynamite @Juan Rico how much longer do you think you guys will stay on

until you go to sleep

uhhh

not much longer

whats up

@Extra Crispy yea, but it would remove in theory , just anybody being able to influence gov

if you removed money, then the power would simply be the people responsible for exchanging resources

just checking

ironically money represnts capital, and by removing capital you just make the next best thing the next representative - the amount of resources you have

yea, thats why socialist movements believe the workers own the product

When they don't.

who will distribute these 'products' when there is no central group to work the logistics?

well it prevents anyone taking away their resources that they produce

What resources?

food, tools, etc

ok, i'm done for tonight. lads, keep those chins up and reach for the stars.

@xX NegroSaki Samurai Xx throw me back on mod i got rused by based brit srry bby

anything really that is essential

any product that they produce

@🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) YAAAYYYYY!!!!!!

To use a common Soviet joke, they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.

lol

There are no products being produced

my point is that no matter what you try to do, there will be a requirement of organization to as you wish to, 'redistribute' these resources over a wide span of space

in effect, it will be easy to control

So glad Quatro is here!

@futurestorms me too

and if products do end up being produced, they are of drastically inferior quality to products produced in capitalist nations.

CLASSIC QUATRO!

as a consequence, it would fail, eventually until either the group realizes this, or the military (invading or otherwise) takes control

Good to see @🚂Quatroking🚂 (🇳🇱) here. I thought you were voice chat mod, though.