Let me give you a statistic

Take all gun deaths and remove suicide, blacks, and Mexicans and the other 80% of America which collectively holds 300 million + guns has the same rate as Western Europe @MRLOcelot23

The truth is America doesn't have a gun problem, it's the black and Mexican community that has a gun problem.

I agree @Walter

Most people however use it as an excuse to bypass political readings or discussion

@ErnieLanders statistics are racist

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Like I said, I at least respect hard left people who want to ban guns, open the borders, etc. at least they're truthful about what they want and aren't afraid to state it unlike most liberals

a real liberal wouldn't want to regulate guns

We must press these issues today because you know liberals will remove race from crime statistics soon and then we're really fucked

someone join vc

Lol seriously, liberals loved Obama and are now all extreme left wing

yeah, those are socialists

Don't give me this bs on not wanting to regulate guns

The last 2 democratic nominees or presidents (Obama and Hillary) were both extremely anti gun

yes

hillary and obama aren't liberals

they're socialist

Hillary used to bitch about trump not waiting for the facts before calling a Muslim attack a Muslim attack and look how fast she blamed the NRA and wanted to push gun bans

Same thing these days

im a socialist and i like peepee

@Walter the definition doesn't change <:ree:356316447548375070>

the people did

Classic liberalism is dead. Race is now the determining factor for the left

so they're not liberals anymore

liberalism in general is dead

they've moved onto socialism and they're clinging to the liberal name

don't be fooled

Modern day liberalism doesn't make sense anyways

And no, when tens of millions of people cling to the term it's meaning does change

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Liberalism today stands for a mix of race baiting + anti gun + pro abortion + socialism

The past two potential presidents and left president proved hat

the modern liberalism you talk about is just socialism in all but name

And every potential 2020 nominee proves it

Socialism is just an economic term, has nothing to do with the abortion or gun or rave baiting stuff

Which is why I stated that's what liberalism is today

It neatly wraps all those things

back

whats going on?

@ErnieLanders liberalism today stands for things like free healthcare free college pulling out of the wars etc