Message from @Alasdair (Joseph)

Discord ID: 376075840624001024


2017-11-03 18:24:13 UTC  

```Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.``` - Galatians 5:4

2017-11-03 18:24:31 UTC  

Take that, Pharisees

2017-11-03 18:25:01 UTC  

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.

2017-11-03 18:25:08 UTC  

Ecclesiastes 12:13

2017-11-03 18:25:24 UTC  

I love the book of Ecclesiastes.

2017-11-03 18:25:37 UTC  

It is the duty of mankind, but it's not the means by which we are saved

2017-11-03 18:25:47 UTC  

As I have quoted, it's of faith, not of works, lest any man should boast

2017-11-03 18:26:16 UTC  

Romans 3:28: ```Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.```

2017-11-03 18:26:20 UTC  

Yes, but faith should be shown through the keeping of the commandments

2017-11-03 18:26:30 UTC  

Well I'm glad that you agree on this now

2017-11-03 18:26:45 UTC  

Keeping the commandments is indeed the way to show the faith within

2017-11-03 18:27:06 UTC  

```Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.```

2017-11-03 18:27:07 UTC  

James 2:18

2017-11-03 18:28:07 UTC  

Ecclesiastes is a great book

2017-11-03 18:28:29 UTC  

Aye it's beautiful

2017-11-03 18:29:30 UTC  

What are your opinions on the keeping of God's festivals?

2017-11-03 18:30:01 UTC  

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them." -Ecclesiastes 38:4

2017-11-03 18:30:46 UTC  

Well, keeping festivals is optional

2017-11-03 18:31:02 UTC  

```One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.```

2017-11-03 18:31:06 UTC  

Romans 14:5

2017-11-03 18:31:07 UTC  

How so?

2017-11-03 18:31:13 UTC  

Because of the verse I quoted

2017-11-03 18:31:23 UTC  

in the Old Testament it was compulsory, but we're in the New Covenant now

2017-11-03 18:32:23 UTC  

I have always believed that it was the cessation of the sacrafices, not of the days themselves. Throughout the old testimate it is clear that they are to be kept as statutes forever.

2017-11-03 18:32:34 UTC  

forever being a very important word

2017-11-03 18:32:38 UTC  

Have you read the Book of Galatians?

2017-11-03 18:32:44 UTC  

That's where Paul speaks against Judaizers

2017-11-03 18:32:56 UTC  

false teachers were trying to make Christians go back under the Old Testament Law

2017-11-03 18:33:05 UTC  

He gives an example:

2017-11-03 18:33:25 UTC  

```But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.```

2017-11-03 18:33:47 UTC  

Also Colossians 2:16:

2017-11-03 18:33:58 UTC  

```Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:```

2017-11-03 18:34:03 UTC  

So you can celebrate them if you want of course

2017-11-03 18:34:26 UTC  

Paul explains why they shouldn't let anyone judge them on this matter:

2017-11-03 18:34:33 UTC  

```Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.```

2017-11-03 18:35:04 UTC  

that's continuing on from the last line, so basically he's saying that the Old Testament festivals prefigured the coming of Christ, for instance the feast of firstfruits represented Christ rising from the dead as the "firstfruit of them that are raised"

2017-11-03 18:35:42 UTC  

But did not christ himself keep those festivals?

2017-11-03 18:35:44 UTC  

ugh i came into a religious discussion

2017-11-03 18:35:54 UTC  

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2017-11-03 18:35:56 UTC  

🤔

2017-11-03 18:36:16 UTC  

Well fine we can talk about this in <#356277119862439937>