do you mean they don't do enough works to deserve salvation?

or are you saying they don't look saved because they have no dedication

is not the heart deceitful above all else?

they claim to worship in christ yet

there is no true dedication with in them

Okay so you're saying they don't actually believe?

I was trying to work out if you're talking about salvation by works

or works as the outward sign of inward faith

I believe that to be saved you must at least keep his commandments

as that is a common theme throughout the scripture

Well Romans says that it's by faith, not of works

of course, what I was talking about was anecdotal.

```For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.```

Eph. 2:8-9

Technically you're only saved by The Mercy of God

But you need faith to get to that

Works are good though

Works are great, we are commanded to do them

Ye

and they give us additional rewards from God, both in this life and the next

but not salvation

Truth

```Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.``` - Galatians 5:4

Take that, Pharisees

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.

Ecclesiastes 12:13

I love the book of Ecclesiastes.

It is the duty of mankind, but it's not the means by which we are saved

As I have quoted, it's of faith, not of works, lest any man should boast

Romans 3:28: ```Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.```

Yes, but faith should be shown through the keeping of the commandments

Well I'm glad that you agree on this now

Keeping the commandments is indeed the way to show the faith within

```Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.```

James 2:18

Ecclesiastes is a great book

Aye it's beautiful

What are your opinions on the keeping of God's festivals?

"The Lord hath created medicines out of the earth; and he that is wise will not abhor them." -Ecclesiastes 38:4

Well, keeping festivals is optional

```One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.```