It's the same thing for men

if you want to go ahead and change the way you work in life

Example

Okay wat....

Being a male, but liking to do more "feminine" things

That's fine

I'm sorry but how does this relate back to the original topic of transgederism?

But to go ahead and "change your gender" in the process

What are we debating about?

wait keep going i see where your going

That's an issue.

Because by changing your gender

You're stating you're part of that group

You know their experiences

You can do what they do

No matter what

Hmmm

It's the same thing with races and ethnicities

that's an interesting way to put it

I'm Latino

The difference I would see there is transgeder people do face simmilar discrimination to women

If you look at studies after they transition they face simmilar harrasement as women

Because of men don't know they're transgenders

And there is a level of solidarity between diffrent "opressed groups"

When you get breast implants and a vagina surgery

You are treated like a woman

you have the same experiences, or simmilar experiences to a woman

And cover yourself with makeup, it's no wonder a man will think you're female

can I debate this fag now

Frito can I detour for this dude?

Hold on

I'll add you as a freind and we can continue later?

He needs to learn to wait

lol fair enough

Here is my final point

I'll wait it's fine

okay

Men and Women are equal in regards to worth. Biologically-speaking they are different, and that will cause them to act differently, experience different things, and ect. The most we should do as a society is focus on the "individual", not whether they are male and female. Because when you attempt to "join a group" like that, it destroys the experiences of those you're attempting to join. No longer is it females being harassed, it's females AND transgender males, and that takes away from the females who had to go through it alone

Well I guess I'll take issue with the idea that you must fit a group perfectly to bit part of the group. The experience of a group as broad as woman varies amongst different races classes and etc. You'd have to deconstruct the meaning of the idea of women and tell me what specifcally about the trans woman experiences disqualifies them from this group.

ESPECIALLY since the man CHOSE to be defined as a "woman"

If I as a Latino tried to relate to the black population and call myself "black", that would be an insult to them