Message from Mord in The Right Server #serious


2018-09-22 05:24:49 UTC  

THat way you have more resources pooled together?

2018-09-22 05:25:19 UTC  

Not necessarily, that is basically civic nationalism.

2018-09-22 05:25:29 UTC  

Why value nationalism over globalism?

2018-09-22 05:25:34 UTC  

How would immigrants from a different background support a common background

2018-09-22 05:25:38 UTC  

If Civic Nationalism does not work why has there not been a modern western ethnostate ? @Mord

2018-09-22 05:25:40 UTC  

It seems like the later would be in the best intest of all?

2018-09-22 05:25:58 UTC  

WE as a global collective are capable of much more than isloated nations/

2018-09-22 05:26:06 UTC  

Japan is a modern day ethnostate @Outboarduniform

2018-09-22 05:26:11 UTC  

western

2018-09-22 05:26:20 UTC  

Japan is like 97% Japanese

2018-09-22 05:26:23 UTC  

@Mord japan also has stagnant birth rates and their children are socially inept

2018-09-22 05:26:24 UTC  

Oh l apologize

2018-09-22 05:26:25 UTC  

@Somedudewithaname how would the global collective respond to the needs of individual people

2018-09-22 05:26:34 UTC  

I would use it as an argument against ethnostates tbh

2018-09-22 05:26:38 UTC  

Same way we do now.

2018-09-22 05:26:43 UTC  

nationstates are far better at responding to their people's needs than any global collective could

2018-09-22 05:26:57 UTC  

Unfortunately is that really true?

2018-09-22 05:26:57 UTC  

@Outboarduniform the stagnant birthrates are a new phenomenon within the last 30 years or so, last l checked.

2018-09-22 05:27:17 UTC  

Maybe more developed nation states but lots of countries would benefit from more global involvement

2018-09-22 05:27:25 UTC  

the world is also far too disunited for a global collective to adequately represent it

2018-09-22 05:27:25 UTC  

and that is not an argument to import people who do not share Japanese culture, values, or anything else that makes someone Japanese

2018-09-22 05:27:34 UTC  

Well obviously you can find change when you go back decades @Mord

2018-09-22 05:27:36 UTC  

and we would benefit from having stronger trading partners in currently struggling countries

2018-09-22 05:27:51 UTC  

Why would Japan be un able to assimilate like America?

2018-09-22 05:27:55 UTC  

And there is no argument calling for the importation of people into Japan

2018-09-22 05:27:58 UTC  

I mean we did it just fine.

2018-09-22 05:28:02 UTC  

@Somedudewithaname let me ask you something, and l want you to answer it honestly.

2018-09-22 05:28:05 UTC  

Sure

2018-09-22 05:28:10 UTC  

civnat doesn't work well because people with their own nationalism will experience culture shock in a different country unless they adapt

2018-09-22 05:28:38 UTC  

First generation immigrants will never truly integrate

2018-09-22 05:28:44 UTC  

Their children, however, will

2018-09-22 05:28:44 UTC  

Lol yes they do

2018-09-22 05:28:46 UTC  
2018-09-22 05:28:48 UTC  

where have you been?

2018-09-22 05:28:49 UTC  

this is what we've seen in the past

2018-09-22 05:28:56 UTC  

but long-term they'll assimilate

2018-09-22 05:29:03 UTC  

Indeed

2018-09-22 05:29:05 UTC  

Would you find any problem with any european country to say that, for example "Poland is for Polish people", or "France is for French people". What is wrong with that

2018-09-22 05:29:06 UTC  

Hell Andrew Carnegie.

2018-09-22 05:29:21 UTC  

Ugh well I'm very mixed on this////

2018-09-22 05:29:24 UTC  

@Mord depends on your definition of polish and French