And why do we even need to value collectives?

Isn't the nature of polotics to vote in self intrest?

Unless your agianst democracy?

Because it creates a homogenous nation of one culture and one nation

Why does that matter?

Precisely, the nature of politics is to vote in self interest as well as those you share common values, culture, backgrounds, and race as you.

I can say it's possible to vote with those who share common values, but wouldn't it be of most benefit to have a sysem that allows most people into yuor collective?

THat way you have more resources pooled together?

Not necessarily, that is basically civic nationalism.

Why value nationalism over globalism?

How would immigrants from a different background support a common background

If Civic Nationalism does not work why has there not been a modern western ethnostate ? @Mord

It seems like the later would be in the best intest of all?

WE as a global collective are capable of much more than isloated nations/

Japan is a modern day ethnostate @Outboarduniform

western

Japan is like 97% Japanese

@Mord japan also has stagnant birth rates and their children are socially inept

Oh l apologize

@Somedudewithaname how would the global collective respond to the needs of individual people

I would use it as an argument against ethnostates tbh

Same way we do now.

nationstates are far better at responding to their people's needs than any global collective could

Unfortunately is that really true?

@Outboarduniform the stagnant birthrates are a new phenomenon within the last 30 years or so, last l checked.

Maybe more developed nation states but lots of countries would benefit from more global involvement

the world is also far too disunited for a global collective to adequately represent it

and that is not an argument to import people who do not share Japanese culture, values, or anything else that makes someone Japanese

Well obviously you can find change when you go back decades @Mord

and we would benefit from having stronger trading partners in currently struggling countries

Why would Japan be un able to assimilate like America?

And there is no argument calling for the importation of people into Japan

I mean we did it just fine.

@Somedudewithaname let me ask you something, and l want you to answer it honestly.

Sure

civnat doesn't work well because people with their own nationalism will experience culture shock in a different country unless they adapt

First generation immigrants will never truly integrate

Their children, however, will

Lol yes they do

@Hadou Divinity Mercurius of course

where have you been?