Message from agag in The Right Server #serious
I'm to leftist to do this shit lol
Ethnic nationalism serves as a framework for being able to have a common culture, background, and in some cases experiences. lt connects those people in a nation. People tend to naturally be collective, and ethnic nationalism grows on that.
Okay but what makes you think a common idenity needs to rest on the basis of race?
WHy couldn't some other idenity serve the same function?
Civic nationalism does not work because you will inevitably have identity politics where people will vote for policies that benefit them.
And why do we even need to value collectives?
Isn't the nature of polotics to vote in self intrest?
Unless your agianst democracy?
Because it creates a homogenous nation of one culture and one nation
Why does that matter?
Precisely, the nature of politics is to vote in self interest as well as those you share common values, culture, backgrounds, and race as you.
I can say it's possible to vote with those who share common values, but wouldn't it be of most benefit to have a sysem that allows most people into yuor collective?
THat way you have more resources pooled together?
Not necessarily, that is basically civic nationalism.
Why value nationalism over globalism?
How would immigrants from a different background support a common background
If Civic Nationalism does not work why has there not been a modern western ethnostate ? @Mord
It seems like the later would be in the best intest of all?
WE as a global collective are capable of much more than isloated nations/
Japan is like 97% Japanese
@Mord japan also has stagnant birth rates and their children are socially inept
Oh l apologize
@Somedudewithaname how would the global collective respond to the needs of individual people
I would use it as an argument against ethnostates tbh
Same way we do now.
nationstates are far better at responding to their people's needs than any global collective could
Unfortunately is that really true?
@Outboarduniform the stagnant birthrates are a new phenomenon within the last 30 years or so, last l checked.
Maybe more developed nation states but lots of countries would benefit from more global involvement
the world is also far too disunited for a global collective to adequately represent it
and that is not an argument to import people who do not share Japanese culture, values, or anything else that makes someone Japanese
Well obviously you can find change when you go back decades @Mord
and we would benefit from having stronger trading partners in currently struggling countries
Why would Japan be un able to assimilate like America?
And there is no argument calling for the importation of people into Japan
I mean we did it just fine.
@Somedudewithaname let me ask you something, and l want you to answer it honestly.
civnat doesn't work well because people with their own nationalism will experience culture shock in a different country unless they adapt