Message from @agag

Discord ID: 493524372548485130


2018-09-23 18:49:52 UTC  

"let's not do this ever"

2018-09-23 18:50:17 UTC  

hypothetically they decide to pay $1000 to every single black person in this country

2018-09-23 18:50:29 UTC  

37,144,530 x 1000

2018-09-23 18:50:39 UTC  

that's $37,144,530,000

2018-09-23 18:51:06 UTC  

So you're saying the bank bailout was good

2018-09-23 18:51:26 UTC  

bailing out a fundamental part of the American economy is not comparable to paying reparations to one subset of the country

2018-09-23 18:51:36 UTC  

Yes or no, do you think the bank bailout was a good decision? @Fred the Fish

2018-09-23 18:52:01 UTC  

I just want to determine if you are arguing in bad faith here

2018-09-23 18:52:23 UTC  

my guess would be no

2018-09-23 18:52:47 UTC  

If the bank bailout was not a good decision, why are you using it as an example of how a mass payout can be conducted successfully?

2018-09-23 18:53:59 UTC  

You either support the bailout or you simply don't care if your arguments make sense so long as you get what you want

2018-09-23 18:55:09 UTC  

The latter means you're willing to decieve people to get your payoff, why should anyone take what you say seriously if that is the case?

2018-09-23 20:47:31 UTC  
2018-09-23 20:47:42 UTC  

How do you respond to this?
https://celsus.blog/2013/12/17/why-scholars-doubt-the-traditional-authors-of-the-gospels/

2018-09-23 20:47:47 UTC  

Take your time

2018-09-23 20:47:55 UTC  

i sent that before lmao

2018-09-23 20:47:59 UTC  

Based

2018-09-23 20:48:41 UTC  

it doesn't matter who the traditional authors of the Gospels were, what matters is where their information comes from

2018-09-23 20:48:55 UTC  

we know that they were based on pre-existing sources like the Q document

2018-09-23 20:49:28 UTC  

and from the creed in 1 Corinthians 15 we also know that more or less the same story was being taught by the Jerusalem church very shortly after Jesus's death

2018-09-23 20:49:39 UTC  

1 Corinthians 15:3-4

2018-09-23 20:49:40 UTC  

**1 Corinthians 15:3-4 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

```Dust


<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, ```

2018-09-23 20:50:05 UTC  

It does matter

2018-09-23 20:50:21 UTC  

We have no idea of who authored ANY of the four Gospels of the Canon. They are anonymous documents, with the words "according to" Matthew, Mark, Luke and John appended to them in the late 2nd century. The Gospels are not eyewitness accounts, for they are all written in the 3rd person. Moreover, it is indeed odd that Matthew (supposedly an apostle of Jesus) copied virtually verbatim from a non-apostle, Mark (who is unknown). We have no record of the sources of the Gospels.

In sum, the Gospel stories are HEARSAY acounts from unknown authors. They were also not written in the mother tongue of Jesus and the apostles (Aramaic), so Jesus' words are not preserved. We can be fairly confident that the NT documents did not undergo substantial change after the Council of Nicaea (325 CE) - that much is true - but that presents no evidence that the originals were reliable accounts.

2018-09-23 20:51:58 UTC  

they were not written in the mother tongue because the common language at that time was Koine Greek

2018-09-23 20:52:09 UTC  

the Apostles also used the Septuagint Bible despite speaking Aramaic as their primary language

2018-09-23 20:53:41 UTC  

I could grant that

2018-09-23 20:55:01 UTC  

You didn’t respond to my whole argument. I can continue this tomorrow, until then you can layout your complete response.

2018-09-23 20:56:32 UTC  

the eyewitness stuff doesn't really matter that much since we know that the core Gospel story was being taught by the Jerusalem Church very shortly after Jesus's death

2018-09-23 20:57:11 UTC  

which refutes the Muslim idea that the entire story of Jesus was corrupted from Jesus never dying or being crucified at all to Jesus dying on the cross

2018-09-23 20:58:59 UTC  

St Paul visited Jerusalem after three years

2018-09-23 20:59:04 UTC  

Galatians 1:18

2018-09-23 20:59:05 UTC  

**Galatians 1:18 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

```Dust
Contacts at Jerusalem

<18> Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. ```

2018-09-23 20:59:32 UTC  

this is when he would have received the 1 Corinthians 15:3-5 creed

2018-09-23 20:59:32 UTC  

**1 Corinthians 15:3-5 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

```Dust


<3> For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, <4> and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, <5> and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. ```

2018-09-23 20:59:43 UTC  

the keyword here is "received." Paul was taught this creed, he did not create it himself.

2018-09-23 21:01:40 UTC  

@agag so you're holobunga.exe'ing again, I see

2018-09-23 21:02:01 UTC  

this has nothing to do with the Holocaust, this is about the reliability of the Gospels

2018-09-23 21:02:57 UTC  

Jerusalem is land stolen from Palestine, which was stolen with various reasons; one of them being the holobunga

2018-09-23 21:58:13 UTC  

I only saw Jerusalem

2018-09-23 21:58:17 UTC  

too busy