Message from @king
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Jesus is the Savior
Isaiah 43:11
**Isaiah 43:11 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<11> I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. ```
God says there is no other savior besides himself in the OT
But somehow Jesus is the savior!
Crazy bro
No.
The Bible makes a distinction between Jesus and the angels in Hebrews
Hebrews 1:8
**Hebrews 1:8 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<8> But of the Son he says,"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom. ```
The Father calls Jesus God
Are you by chance a Jehovah Witness?
You seem to be one
no God the Son was always God
Alright
the Son pre-existed creation
and show in your own bible
eternally begotten from the Father
**John 8:58 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
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<58> Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."```
differently
no the angels were created along with the rest of the universe
they were created before us but they are created beings
anyway JW Bible isn't a good translation
it translate that passage as "I have been" instead of "I am"
despite the greek word being present tense
I don't think it ever says exactly when he was created but the Bible talks about the morning stars singing together for joy
Job 38:6-7
**Job 38:6-7 - New King James Version (NKJV)**
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<6> To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, <7> When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? ```
this is during the creation of the earth
so they pre-dated earth but they are still created beings
I don't want to say exactly when because I don't believe there's any teaching on that
it's just a comparison you don't need to take it literally
satan's not literally the morning star
Heads up, y'all better check /pol/. We got suspicions on Ford being Amy Schumer. Not kidding http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/187281550
they have found nothing of value in any of the threads