Message from @Timotheos Komnenos
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Without the laws of the Old Testament, the New Testmanent has no substance or weight. There is no reason to follow the New Testament without the Old.
The prophecies give Christ the legitimacy to defy the Pharisees and to heal those afflicted by Demons on the Sabbath. I'd say that Moral Truths are what are in accordance to the will of God and are reflected throughout the teachings of the Prophets, Saints, Apostles, and Christ Himself. If your philosophy is wrong, which was the case of the Roman Catholics when they tried to define God and put Him into the box, your ideas and your morality are wrong. And this goes for everything, if God is not involved in it and it isn't derived from God I'd say it hardly lacks substance
To be moral you must submit firstly to God and recognise the fact that humans, despite their great ability to reason, are incompabable of fully holding to truth and goodness.
It is dangerous to speak on matters you do not hold comprehension about. Just because your personal intuition tells you you shouldn't give charity and you use logic to reason that the poor man is undeserving of charity does not make you correct.
Living in accordance to God's will is what makes a man moral, not of what he personally thinks. However, men should know that they do not always have the ability to hold so closely to God and His morality, and that they are weak and fallible before him.
The whole point of human life is to honour God and give glory unto Him as his servants. Doing this does not necessarily come from developing philosophy and constantly debating, but following what God has taught you because you love God. Despite it may not being immediately apparent. John 20:29
**John 20:29 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<29> Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe."```
So you're telling me that God was unjust?
@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] That is what he said. If we deny that, which is part of the First Commandment of the 10, we may also deny the seventh which forbids adultery.
You don't get to decide what is cruel or unjust, it is what God desires. They were killed for their opposition against the Israelites and their horrid idol worship that was too much of a stain against God's people and was corrupting His people.
The difference is that I worship the one God and they do not.
It is loyalty to God
You don't get to pick and chose what parts of the Bible you like. You either accept it or you don't.
I say that morality is defined by God and if God defines it as moral it is moral and if it isn't it isn't. There's no room for discussion.
God had a reason for destroying those tribes, as they threatened His people. He was justified in what He had done.
Threatened his people by corrupting them.
They were sources of corruption threatening identity of the Israelites.
We do not know the reasonings for what God has done to some and what He has done to others. We have no reason to question Him or any justification in doing so, because we are made to be in His Image and to give Glory unto Him.
Timotheoes, why shouldn't we question God when he does not provide justification for his actions? Shouldn't we want to follow him if we know he is just?
I'm unable to believe something is justified simply because a higher authority has told me so.
You sir have my respect @Timotheos Komnenos
@Krass I pray for your marriage manipulation to end in failure
Psalm 143:10 Shows us that the will of man and the will of God are not the same. This means that man will view some seemingly inconsistent things being done through the Old Testament and the New Testament, but they are not inconsistent if we are to believe that God is of the 3 o's. There is a plan to all of which God does and all in which God teaches. The teaching changes in accordance with new revelation but the will of God remains eternal. It is likely that God willed for mercy when he established the Old Covenant but also willed that his people keep strictly to Him and what was required for this was punishment. Ultimately, what makes man just, is living in accordance to principles and having Faith in God. The New Testament takes priority over the Old because the Old Covenant has been fufilled with Christ and a new covenant of great mercy has been established. This do not mean that justice has gone away, but rather the manifestation of God's mercy reigns in this now time. But God tells us that this time is finite and that we must repent if we are to be shielded from the full unadultered punishment of hell and sin.
**Psalm 143:10 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<10> Teach me to do your will, for you are my God. Let your good spirit lead me on a level path. ```
You aren't led to Truth, which is God, through your reasoning or from the World. What leads you to God is beginning first with God and then establishing everything else from there. If you have no foundation, a building cannot stand.
Just appeal to divine command theory to justify any of God’s actions, but if they contradict His commands... ouch
powerful
So God expressing punishment and anger is in contradiction to mercy?
So God is acting unjustly when he punishes and destroys those who worship Baal and sacrifice children that are corrupting His people?
Was the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah unjust?
Why can't he simply explain to them the problem and help them learn from their actions? That would be just.
Why is a child innocent? Why would you live a vengeful seed in the ground to rise as yet another threat to the Israelites?
@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Despite them interacting and trading with the Israelites and members of the Israelites coming to them and being among them?
Salvation during this time was for the Israelites, not for Philistines or the Unjust peoples.
Was King David an Israelite?
do you judge monarchs from 3000 years ago for fighting wars the way they did back then
You do know that Jesus is called the Son of David in his earthly form right? And that, through the geneology, was a biological Israelite.
So Christ is unjust and spread wickedness
God's plan is designed for humanity's salvation and for a human world
that God needed to allow war to be fought like that does not mean it's the moral way to fight wars