Message from Outboarduniform in The Right Server #serious


2018-09-28 19:00:42 UTC  

@agag He denies that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the new.

2018-09-28 19:00:46 UTC  

I know that

2018-09-28 19:00:57 UTC  

if Christ doesn't fulfill the Messiah prophecies then He's not the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:01:07 UTC  

The prophecies give legitamacy to Christ and establish Him as divine.

2018-09-28 19:01:16 UTC  

but if the prophecy isn't fulfilled then Christ is not who He claimed to be

2018-09-28 19:01:21 UTC  

and who his disciples claimed Him to be

2018-09-28 19:02:11 UTC  

faith in Jesus requires believing that He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies

2018-09-28 19:02:13 UTC  

and was the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:03:07 UTC  

You might as well ignore scripture then and develop your own idea on what Christ was outside of the people who actually spoke of Him and knew Him.

2018-09-28 19:03:26 UTC  

Christ is contingent on what inspired prophecies say the Christ would be like

2018-09-28 19:04:09 UTC  

sorry but that's not how it works

2018-09-28 19:04:13 UTC  

You cannot claim to follow Christ if you ignore what he taught.

2018-09-28 19:04:15 UTC  

the Church is needed for that

2018-09-28 19:04:27 UTC  

the Apostles were given the authority to teach the Gospel

2018-09-28 19:04:47 UTC  

no now you're projecting what you think about them

2018-09-28 19:05:03 UTC  

by what standard?

2018-09-28 19:05:18 UTC  

Complex temple rituals, religious calendar, mythology

2018-09-28 19:05:23 UTC  

I don't see them as any more primitive than their neighbors

2018-09-28 19:05:58 UTC  

So it is comparable to every other civilization

2018-09-28 19:06:00 UTC  

Correct

2018-09-28 19:06:07 UTC  

Yes ?

2018-09-28 19:06:13 UTC  

their mythology and calendar were no more primitive than their neighbors'

2018-09-28 19:06:17 UTC  

and neither was their temple worship

2018-09-28 19:06:38 UTC  

you're underestimating the major religious sectarianism in first century Judea

2018-09-28 19:06:52 UTC  

are you serious?

2018-09-28 19:06:56 UTC  

Jesus didn't invent those techniques

2018-09-28 19:07:50 UTC  

but the NT was formed around the OT

2018-09-28 19:07:54 UTC  

within the context of Second Temple Judaism

2018-09-28 19:08:00 UTC  

and also after it for the later Gospels

2018-09-28 19:08:34 UTC  

and Jesus Himself took part in the temple religion and taught within it

2018-09-28 19:08:49 UTC  

and gave authority to the Apostles who came after Him to teach

2018-09-28 19:09:04 UTC  

depends on which sect you're talking about

2018-09-28 19:09:18 UTC  

Jesus's beliefs had a lot more in common with Pharisees than with Sadducees who denied the resurrection of the dead

2018-09-28 19:09:39 UTC  

you're projecting your opinions onto the Scripture

2018-09-28 19:10:02 UTC  

yes you are those are entirely subjective views that none of the Gospel authors or Jesus Himself or any of the early Church would've held

2018-09-28 19:10:13 UTC  

because you're approaching this with the persepctive of a race idolator

2018-09-28 19:10:34 UTC  

the blood that produced the entire early Church

2018-09-28 19:11:45 UTC  

the blood that produced that innocent man and all His followers

2018-09-28 19:11:47 UTC  

and His mother

2018-09-28 19:12:15 UTC  

modern Christianity is built on a Jewish foundation you can't separate the two

2018-09-28 19:12:28 UTC  

fuck off