Message from @agag

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2018-09-28 18:53:27 UTC  

Was the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah unjust?

2018-09-28 18:53:28 UTC  

Why can't he simply explain to them the problem and help them learn from their actions? That would be just.

2018-09-28 18:54:15 UTC  

Why is a child innocent? Why would you live a vengeful seed in the ground to rise as yet another threat to the Israelites?

2018-09-28 18:55:33 UTC  

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Despite them interacting and trading with the Israelites and members of the Israelites coming to them and being among them?

2018-09-28 18:56:47 UTC  

Salvation during this time was for the Israelites, not for Philistines or the Unjust peoples.

2018-09-28 18:57:54 UTC  

Was King David an Israelite?

2018-09-28 18:58:47 UTC  

do you judge monarchs from 3000 years ago for fighting wars the way they did back then

2018-09-28 18:58:56 UTC  

You do know that Jesus is called the Son of David in his earthly form right? And that, through the geneology, was a biological Israelite.

2018-09-28 18:59:28 UTC  

So Christ is unjust and spread wickedness

2018-09-28 18:59:30 UTC  

God's plan is designed for humanity's salvation and for a human world

2018-09-28 18:59:51 UTC  

that God needed to allow war to be fought like that does not mean it's the moral way to fight wars

2018-09-28 18:59:54 UTC  

By your logic, he'd be of the corrupt and wicked seed as an Israelite.

2018-09-28 18:59:56 UTC  

it means that that was what had to happen for the plan

2018-09-28 19:00:11 UTC  

it's not tenuous to claim it's one of the most important foundations for him being the Christ

2018-09-28 19:00:22 UTC  

if Jesus isn't of that bloodline then He doesn't fulfill Old Testament prophecies

2018-09-28 19:00:42 UTC  

@agag He denies that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the new.

2018-09-28 19:00:46 UTC  

I know that

2018-09-28 19:00:57 UTC  

if Christ doesn't fulfill the Messiah prophecies then He's not the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:01:07 UTC  

The prophecies give legitamacy to Christ and establish Him as divine.

2018-09-28 19:01:16 UTC  

but if the prophecy isn't fulfilled then Christ is not who He claimed to be

2018-09-28 19:01:21 UTC  

and who his disciples claimed Him to be

2018-09-28 19:02:11 UTC  

faith in Jesus requires believing that He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies

2018-09-28 19:02:13 UTC  

and was the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:03:07 UTC  

You might as well ignore scripture then and develop your own idea on what Christ was outside of the people who actually spoke of Him and knew Him.

2018-09-28 19:03:26 UTC  

Christ is contingent on what inspired prophecies say the Christ would be like

2018-09-28 19:04:09 UTC  

sorry but that's not how it works

2018-09-28 19:04:13 UTC  

You cannot claim to follow Christ if you ignore what he taught.

2018-09-28 19:04:15 UTC  

the Church is needed for that

2018-09-28 19:04:27 UTC  

the Apostles were given the authority to teach the Gospel

2018-09-28 19:04:47 UTC  

no now you're projecting what you think about them

2018-09-28 19:05:03 UTC  

by what standard?

2018-09-28 19:05:18 UTC  

Complex temple rituals, religious calendar, mythology

2018-09-28 19:05:23 UTC  

I don't see them as any more primitive than their neighbors

2018-09-28 19:05:58 UTC  

So it is comparable to every other civilization

2018-09-28 19:06:00 UTC  

Correct

2018-09-28 19:06:07 UTC  

Yes ?

2018-09-28 19:06:13 UTC  

their mythology and calendar were no more primitive than their neighbors'

2018-09-28 19:06:17 UTC  

and neither was their temple worship

2018-09-28 19:06:38 UTC  

you're underestimating the major religious sectarianism in first century Judea

2018-09-28 19:06:52 UTC  

are you serious?

2018-09-28 19:06:56 UTC  

Jesus didn't invent those techniques