You aren't led to Truth, which is God, through your reasoning or from the World. What leads you to God is beginning first with God and then establishing everything else from there. If you have no foundation, a building cannot stand.

Just appeal to divine command theory to justify any of God’s actions, but if they contradict His commands... ouch

powerful

So God expressing punishment and anger is in contradiction to mercy?

So God is acting unjustly when he punishes and destroys those who worship Baal and sacrifice children that are corrupting His people?

Was the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah unjust?

Why can't he simply explain to them the problem and help them learn from their actions? That would be just.

Why is a child innocent? Why would you live a vengeful seed in the ground to rise as yet another threat to the Israelites?

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Despite them interacting and trading with the Israelites and members of the Israelites coming to them and being among them?

Salvation during this time was for the Israelites, not for Philistines or the Unjust peoples.

Was King David an Israelite?

do you judge monarchs from 3000 years ago for fighting wars the way they did back then

You do know that Jesus is called the Son of David in his earthly form right? And that, through the geneology, was a biological Israelite.

So Christ is unjust and spread wickedness

God's plan is designed for humanity's salvation and for a human world

that God needed to allow war to be fought like that does not mean it's the moral way to fight wars

By your logic, he'd be of the corrupt and wicked seed as an Israelite.

it means that that was what had to happen for the plan

it's not tenuous to claim it's one of the most important foundations for him being the Christ

if Jesus isn't of that bloodline then He doesn't fulfill Old Testament prophecies

@agag He denies that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the new.

I know that

if Christ doesn't fulfill the Messiah prophecies then He's not the Messiah

The prophecies give legitamacy to Christ and establish Him as divine.

but if the prophecy isn't fulfilled then Christ is not who He claimed to be

and who his disciples claimed Him to be

faith in Jesus requires believing that He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies

and was the Messiah

You might as well ignore scripture then and develop your own idea on what Christ was outside of the people who actually spoke of Him and knew Him.

Christ is contingent on what inspired prophecies say the Christ would be like

sorry but that's not how it works

You cannot claim to follow Christ if you ignore what he taught.

the Church is needed for that

the Apostles were given the authority to teach the Gospel

no now you're projecting what you think about them

by what standard?

Complex temple rituals, religious calendar, mythology

I don't see them as any more primitive than their neighbors

So it is comparable to every other civilization

Correct

Yes ?