Message from @Timotheos Komnenos

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2018-09-28 18:30:22 UTC  

We do not know the reasonings for what God has done to some and what He has done to others. We have no reason to question Him or any justification in doing so, because we are made to be in His Image and to give Glory unto Him.

2018-09-28 18:31:41 UTC  

Timotheoes, why shouldn't we question God when he does not provide justification for his actions? Shouldn't we want to follow him if we know he is just?

2018-09-28 18:32:38 UTC  

I'm unable to believe something is justified simply because a higher authority has told me so.

2018-09-28 18:34:46 UTC  

Give me a moment, I'm formulating a response

2018-09-28 18:37:47 UTC  

You sir have my respect @Timotheos Komnenos

2018-09-28 18:42:17 UTC  

@Krass I pray for your marriage manipulation to end in failure

2018-09-28 18:42:20 UTC  

Psalm 143:10 Shows us that the will of man and the will of God are not the same. This means that man will view some seemingly inconsistent things being done through the Old Testament and the New Testament, but they are not inconsistent if we are to believe that God is of the 3 o's. There is a plan to all of which God does and all in which God teaches. The teaching changes in accordance with new revelation but the will of God remains eternal. It is likely that God willed for mercy when he established the Old Covenant but also willed that his people keep strictly to Him and what was required for this was punishment. Ultimately, what makes man just, is living in accordance to principles and having Faith in God. The New Testament takes priority over the Old because the Old Covenant has been fufilled with Christ and a new covenant of great mercy has been established. This do not mean that justice has gone away, but rather the manifestation of God's mercy reigns in this now time. But God tells us that this time is finite and that we must repent if we are to be shielded from the full unadultered punishment of hell and sin.

2018-09-28 18:42:21 UTC  

**Psalm 143:10 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<10> Teach me to do your will, for you are my God. Let your good spirit lead me on a level path. ```

2018-09-28 18:43:24 UTC  

You aren't led to Truth, which is God, through your reasoning or from the World. What leads you to God is beginning first with God and then establishing everything else from there. If you have no foundation, a building cannot stand.

2018-09-28 18:47:40 UTC  

Just appeal to divine command theory to justify any of God’s actions, but if they contradict His commands... ouch

2018-09-28 18:49:27 UTC  

powerful

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2018-09-28 18:51:25 UTC  

So God expressing punishment and anger is in contradiction to mercy?

2018-09-28 18:53:03 UTC  

So God is acting unjustly when he punishes and destroys those who worship Baal and sacrifice children that are corrupting His people?

2018-09-28 18:53:27 UTC  

Was the destruction of Sodom and Gemorah unjust?

2018-09-28 18:53:28 UTC  

Why can't he simply explain to them the problem and help them learn from their actions? That would be just.

2018-09-28 18:54:15 UTC  

Why is a child innocent? Why would you live a vengeful seed in the ground to rise as yet another threat to the Israelites?

2018-09-28 18:55:33 UTC  

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] Despite them interacting and trading with the Israelites and members of the Israelites coming to them and being among them?

2018-09-28 18:56:47 UTC  

Salvation during this time was for the Israelites, not for Philistines or the Unjust peoples.

2018-09-28 18:57:54 UTC  

Was King David an Israelite?

2018-09-28 18:58:47 UTC  

do you judge monarchs from 3000 years ago for fighting wars the way they did back then

2018-09-28 18:58:56 UTC  

You do know that Jesus is called the Son of David in his earthly form right? And that, through the geneology, was a biological Israelite.

2018-09-28 18:59:28 UTC  

So Christ is unjust and spread wickedness

2018-09-28 18:59:30 UTC  

God's plan is designed for humanity's salvation and for a human world

2018-09-28 18:59:51 UTC  

that God needed to allow war to be fought like that does not mean it's the moral way to fight wars

2018-09-28 18:59:54 UTC  

By your logic, he'd be of the corrupt and wicked seed as an Israelite.

2018-09-28 18:59:56 UTC  

it means that that was what had to happen for the plan

2018-09-28 19:00:11 UTC  

it's not tenuous to claim it's one of the most important foundations for him being the Christ

2018-09-28 19:00:22 UTC  

if Jesus isn't of that bloodline then He doesn't fulfill Old Testament prophecies

2018-09-28 19:00:42 UTC  

@agag He denies that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the new.

2018-09-28 19:00:46 UTC  

I know that

2018-09-28 19:00:57 UTC  

if Christ doesn't fulfill the Messiah prophecies then He's not the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:01:07 UTC  

The prophecies give legitamacy to Christ and establish Him as divine.

2018-09-28 19:01:16 UTC  

but if the prophecy isn't fulfilled then Christ is not who He claimed to be

2018-09-28 19:01:21 UTC  

and who his disciples claimed Him to be

2018-09-28 19:02:11 UTC  

faith in Jesus requires believing that He fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies

2018-09-28 19:02:13 UTC  

and was the Messiah

2018-09-28 19:03:07 UTC  

You might as well ignore scripture then and develop your own idea on what Christ was outside of the people who actually spoke of Him and knew Him.

2018-09-28 19:03:26 UTC  

Christ is contingent on what inspired prophecies say the Christ would be like

2018-09-28 19:04:09 UTC  

sorry but that's not how it works

2018-09-28 19:04:13 UTC  

You cannot claim to follow Christ if you ignore what he taught.

2018-09-28 19:04:15 UTC  

the Church is needed for that