Message from @The_Don_73

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2018-10-15 04:29:14 UTC  

oh, the 1.3 million in the General Government? That's Korherr's number for how many were residing in that territory at the time, not how many had been killed in that territory at that time. But since the vast majority of Poland's Jewish population died, most of that number would end up being counted

2018-10-15 04:29:32 UTC  

@Supreme Leader Kim 🧧 @The_Don_73 you both misunderstand what the Korherr Report is saying. It's not saying that these many Jews were transferred to camps or passed through them. It's a revision to the document, which originally used a word that's a German code for mass murder.

2018-10-15 04:29:38 UTC  

that's why Himmler ordered the word be changed

2018-10-15 04:30:32 UTC  

and the Einsatzgruppen reports aren't used to prove death camps, they're used to prove the Einsatzgruppen activities in the east, which killed ~1.3 million Jews

2018-10-15 04:30:34 UTC  

i got what you were saying. that 1,3m were not people who have been killed. but if a lot of that people who actually died wer ecounted as holocaust victims, isn't that inflating the numbers?

2018-10-15 04:30:55 UTC  

With 3000 people

2018-10-15 04:31:30 UTC  

you can read the Einsatzgruppen OSRs on that website I posted in educational

2018-10-15 04:31:52 UTC  

if one think about it for a second, there were so many ways those numbers could be inflated.

2018-10-15 04:32:08 UTC  

Einsatzgruppe A, had 990 members. If we subtract from this the 172 vehicle drivers, 3 women employees, 51 interpreters, 3 teletypewriter operators and 8 radio operators, there are about 750 combatants left to use for the mass killings

2018-10-15 04:32:48 UTC  

and afterwards , anyone questioning the accuracy of the numbers was labeled as anti-semitic

2018-10-15 04:32:52 UTC  

to 15th October 1941, Einsatzgruppe A supposedly killed 125,000 Jews. Considering the fact that the mass murders first began in August the overwhelming ma- jority of the 125,000 victims, let us say 120,000, must have been killed in a period of ten weeks.

2018-10-15 04:32:58 UTC  

except if they claim the numbers were higher

2018-10-15 04:33:13 UTC  

@John Rebuttal no, because that number isn't being used to calculate the death toll, it's just Korherr's estimation for how many Jews were in the General Government at the time. What is used from the Korherr Report is his number for how many Jews were given "special treatment" in the camps in the GG and Warthegau, which are respectively 1274166 + 145301 = 1419467

2018-10-15 04:33:32 UTC  

So in ten weeks 750 people killed 125,000

2018-10-15 04:33:51 UTC  

In addition of finding them

2018-10-15 04:33:57 UTC  

Capturing them

2018-10-15 04:34:01 UTC  

@The_Don_73 why do you think those 172 vehicle drivers and 51 interpreters weren't also combatants

2018-10-15 04:34:40 UTC  

and the Einsatzgruppen didn't work alone

2018-10-15 04:34:52 UTC  

they had Wehrmacht members helping them too

2018-10-15 04:34:53 UTC  

The first paragraph was quoted from Hilbergs work

2018-10-15 04:34:58 UTC  

Lmao

2018-10-15 04:35:04 UTC  

Unless he’s wrong

2018-10-15 04:35:46 UTC  

some years ago before bbc went totally crazy they made a documentary about the numbers.

2018-10-15 04:35:57 UTC  

i may watch it again

2018-10-15 04:36:44 UTC  

i respect your dedication to this topic , though @agag

2018-10-15 04:36:55 UTC  
2018-10-15 04:37:16 UTC  

i mean, in that i like when people know a subject well.

2018-10-15 04:37:19 UTC  

It’s seems to have a lack of numbers

2018-10-15 04:37:22 UTC  

any subject

2018-10-15 04:37:31 UTC  

How many individuals helped

2018-10-15 04:40:10 UTC  

OK, I found the actual part in Hilberg's book. It's on page 289. What you posted is not a direct quote.

2018-10-15 04:40:13 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486385308951379968/501252937486434305/c35a3e5ca869f22703484681be179cbb.png

2018-10-15 04:40:35 UTC  

Nowhere does Hilberg say that you should subtract these members from the overall number of people operating

2018-10-15 04:43:57 UTC  

Do you assert every person was a combatant

2018-10-15 04:44:38 UTC  

This does count indigenous units no?

2018-10-15 04:44:40 UTC  

probably not the female employees and the administration, but the rest I see no reason for them not to be combatants

2018-10-15 04:45:04 UTC  

As auxiliary

2018-10-15 04:45:11 UTC  

no this doesn't count indigenous units, this is the core Einsatzgruppen unit. Indigeneous units were additional to this

2018-10-15 04:46:41 UTC  

“They rounded the Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians and Ukrainians as auxiliary police”

2018-10-15 04:46:48 UTC  

Maybe I’m missing something