One of my main points of Agnostic view is the "I'll believe it when I see it" argument, and I love to factor in the ideas that there could be more Gods than thought and believed on the planet Earth, and a true God could exist as the Universe

I'll believe it when I see it is anchoring truth to empiricism

Which is subjective/a preference

if brett likes bud lite he shouldnt be in the supreme court

True, empiricism really does lock out certain theories and arguments necessary for understanding the universe around us, but the basis of being an Agnostic is purely being subjective.

Does God exist or not, I'll believe it when I see it.

>when I see it

how would you be able to "see" omniscience and omnipotence?

hint: you can't

It all comes back down to being subjective.

that's not an argument

you're just saying outright "lol I don't care because it's my opinion"

Without God you have an infinite regress of subjectivity

btw calling something subjective is an objective claim about subjectivity, which imo undermines the ontological potency of subjectivist arguments

nothing is subjective

that is a meme

Empiricism can be embedded within a greater science, which can be embedded in a greater science, within a greater science, etc.

So just out of curiosity, is your theist belief the belief that god is the cosmos?

No

To me, He is the Unmoved Mover

Can you elaborate?

^ the 9 point argument I posted

He is the anchor to the causal chain

He exists outside the natural world, He is the unactualized actualizer.

He initiated all movement. The Unmoved Mover.

God bless America

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Well fuck me I guess I just became a Theist

That makes too much sense

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lol

why is ezra mod not senior mod

I thought he was senior mod

good

Well the more I think about it the more it makes more sense because that this God would exist outside of the space of reality since It created the space, so it doesn't have to follow the standard laws of Physics that we understand or try to understand now.

Correct.

Since you can't have an infinite explosion and regression of the universe like some would theorize to the beginning of *our* universe now, something had to have started the space

yes

you're getting there

so what god is that