Message from @agag

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2018-10-12 06:38:40 UTC  

It was liberals and communists and traitors who were messed with. And that's the same in America wartime too

2018-10-12 06:38:41 UTC  

it presupposes that because that's what happened with Aktion T4

2018-10-12 06:39:26 UTC  

as I said, the euthanasia program had almost entirely willing subjects, there were a very small number of shady cases, which were *against* the law

2018-10-12 06:39:35 UTC  

which means that you could prob find court cases dealing with it

2018-10-12 06:39:39 UTC  

appeals from citizens etc.

2018-10-12 06:39:53 UTC  

so it's not an argument, because aktion t4 was only meant to be done with consent of the family

2018-10-12 06:39:55 UTC  

by design

2018-10-12 06:40:18 UTC  

the Führer's word was the supreme law, if he ordered involuntary euthanasia then that was law

2018-10-12 06:40:25 UTC  

anyways you're devolving into straw manning ally moral fagging arguments based on their own made up events

2018-10-12 06:40:28 UTC  

you're claiming that it was voluntary without providing a source for that claim

2018-10-12 06:41:01 UTC  

it would be very difficult for me to pull a source out of my ass in what is meant to be a less than an hour discussion in text, I can look for one and provide it for you tomorrow if you like

2018-10-12 06:41:09 UTC  

Look up Erik Striker, he sources well

2018-10-12 06:41:22 UTC  

knows more than me about this topic, and he specifically addressed and sourced this t4 issue

2018-10-12 06:41:26 UTC  

and addresses your points

2018-10-12 06:41:34 UTC  

Anyways any other arguments?

2018-10-12 06:41:39 UTC  

because I don't think you've made a compelling case

2018-10-12 06:41:43 UTC  

does he have a website

2018-10-12 06:42:15 UTC  

he's on Heel Turn as a talk show guest usually, he's a history major graduate I believe, so just look for clips of him on youtube I guess

2018-10-12 06:42:26 UTC  

you could maybe find something googling his name too

2018-10-12 06:42:50 UTC  

absolutism or authoritarianism will always devolve into tyranny and/or shitty government

2018-10-12 06:43:01 UTC  

hitler was no exception considering the chaos that was the german government under him

2018-10-12 06:43:08 UTC  

I think I've linked you some of Kershaw's stuff on that before

2018-10-12 06:43:21 UTC  

you can also look at the French after Louis XIV

2018-10-12 06:43:27 UTC  

@agag I contend this point with the fact that just and honorable rulers are not even denied by Americanist historians in monarchies of the past.

2018-10-12 06:43:30 UTC  

how that turned out for their absolute monarchs

2018-10-12 06:43:33 UTC  

Which were authoritarian by design

2018-10-12 06:43:38 UTC  

and I mean pre constitutional monarchy

2018-10-12 06:43:44 UTC  

just and honorable rulers give way to unjust and dishonorable rulers

2018-10-12 06:43:48 UTC  

where the monarchy's authority was almost the same as the Fuhrer in effect

2018-10-12 06:44:38 UTC  

we've had some really shitty presidents in the past but only one of them actually came close to destroying the country

2018-10-12 06:44:54 UTC  

I can't say the same thing for absolutist countries

2018-10-12 06:44:55 UTC  

Ok, but the NS counter argument to the potential tyrant ruler is the process by which you attain the position of Fuhrer prevents tyranny. In which you are required to go through a rigorous martial training, and in accordance with NS principles be shown to serve the volk. Indeed the position of Leader is entirely devoted to the volk.

2018-10-12 06:45:01 UTC  

Collegeboard is owned by Jews which control the classroom, using general American education is a fallacy on its own tbh

2018-10-12 06:45:02 UTC  

Volk means a racially and spiritually similar people.

2018-10-12 06:45:14 UTC  

So I would argue that actually it preserves spirituality as well, in whatever form it manufests.

2018-10-12 06:45:17 UTC  

manifests*

2018-10-12 06:45:27 UTC  

so volkish identity not only preserves race but religion of the race of its choosing

2018-10-12 06:45:56 UTC  

Also the structure of NS would have inevitably led to relaxing the legal distinctions between state actor and citizen.

2018-10-12 06:46:15 UTC  

god damn the midwest fucks you on property tax

2018-10-12 06:46:26 UTC  

did hitler ever talk about this process?

2018-10-12 06:46:30 UTC  

You should see LA @thrill_house