Message from @agag

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2018-10-12 06:50:25 UTC  

and utilitarians

2018-10-12 06:50:34 UTC  

the point is about appointed successors not about drawing a connection between Commies and Nazis

2018-10-12 06:50:34 UTC  

the two systems don't lead to the same conclusions because of those distinctions

2018-10-12 06:50:39 UTC  

you're horseshoe theory fagging now

2018-10-12 06:50:48 UTC  

ns =/= communism because they shared some authoritarian elements

2018-10-12 06:51:01 UTC  

authoritarianism existed in hereditary monarchies which were theocratic almost

2018-10-12 06:51:05 UTC  

they were not like communism

2018-10-12 06:51:06 UTC  

He’s talking about successors potatobrain not ideology = ideology

2018-10-12 06:51:07 UTC  

that is not an argument

2018-10-12 06:51:22 UTC  

I know you dumb fag teenager reactionary

2018-10-12 06:51:50 UTC  

I am trying to explain that the succession is entirely different because of the ns axioms.

2018-10-12 06:52:05 UTC  

And the epistemology of rejecting enlightenment rationalism, utilitarianism etc.

2018-10-12 06:52:31 UTC  

NS were not utilitarians or these super efficient robot people like movies show them as, they are idealists.

2018-10-12 06:52:35 UTC  

They were not pragmatists either

2018-10-12 06:52:41 UTC  

Hitler fundamentally rejects pragmatism

2018-10-12 06:52:49 UTC  

people are people regardless of ideology, I'm sure Lenin thought that Stalin was an "idealistic Marxist" that "doesn't reject global revolution."

2018-10-12 06:53:10 UTC  

even with completely different standards you will end up with successors who go back on their previous behavior

2018-10-12 06:53:34 UTC  

ok, but if you take that argument to its logical conclusion, in the plutocratic shadow elite version the "people who are people" who become tyrants through the weaknesses of capitalist democracies are harder to then overthrow

2018-10-12 06:53:34 UTC  

Power corrupts the very minute it’s given

2018-10-12 06:53:48 UTC  

which means your system in which corruption is inevitable anyways because of this maxim leads to even greater danger than mine

2018-10-12 06:53:52 UTC  

the checks and balances built into the system exist to prevent that

2018-10-12 06:53:55 UTC  

since unlike your system we might have one tyrant

2018-10-12 06:54:01 UTC  

the problem is that with Führerprinzip you don't have them

2018-10-12 06:54:04 UTC  

whereas you may have 200 billionaire tyrants

2018-10-12 06:54:21 UTC  

checks and balances have failed

2018-10-12 06:54:27 UTC  

unless you're arguing that America is not a plutocracy

2018-10-12 06:54:52 UTC  

I don't think we're a plutocracy

2018-10-12 06:54:55 UTC  

Can we check and balance niggers

2018-10-12 06:55:31 UTC  

ok then explain why super pacs are allowed?

2018-10-12 06:56:21 UTC  

citizens united

2018-10-12 06:56:23 UTC  

essentially infinite lobbying enacted

2018-10-12 06:56:25 UTC  

super pacs are regulated

2018-10-12 06:56:30 UTC  

not really

2018-10-12 06:56:30 UTC  

what are super pacs?

2018-10-12 06:56:34 UTC  

not as much as they should be but they are

2018-10-12 06:56:36 UTC  

the regulations for who donates are pretty shitty

2018-10-12 06:56:42 UTC  

foreigners can donate too btw

2018-10-12 06:56:48 UTC  

as long as they do it through a US corporate entity

2018-10-12 06:57:19 UTC  

look I don't want to go into a tangent proving America is a plutocracy, it is but that would be a waste of time

2018-10-12 06:57:30 UTC  

super pacs prove it outright imo

2018-10-12 06:57:38 UTC  

but there's other points to that