# Message from Bannebie in The Ice Wall#lounge

2019-04-15 10:03:20 UTC

@OTK (Pepega) We already demonstrated what kind of curvature we would expect to see. 8 inches per square mile. We don't see that, however

2019-04-15 10:03:21 UTC

i'm okay how are you?(:

2019-04-15 10:04:22 UTC

That's using presupposition that the earth is round

2019-04-15 10:04:28 UTC

i didn't do anything ?

2019-04-15 10:04:58 UTC

We need to start from a neutral standpoint and come to conclusions based on observable evidence

2019-04-15 10:05:01 UTC

No, it doesn't

2019-04-15 10:05:13 UTC

You know what would also look flat when you zoom away? A flat earth

2019-04-15 10:05:24 UTC

Yes, so do flat objects

2019-04-15 10:05:26 UTC

The Sun never sets or rises, it stays the same distance over the Earth throughout it’s daily/annual journeys around. The appearance of rising and setting is all based on the law of perspective on plane surfaces. The Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth.

2019-04-15 10:05:44 UTC

Precisely

2019-04-15 10:05:50 UTC

From our vantage point, due to the Law of Perspective, the day/night luminaries appear to rise up the Eastern horizon, curve peaking high overhead, and then sink below the Western horizon. They do not escape to the underside of the Flat-Earth as one might imagine, but rather rotate concentric clockwise circles around the circumference from tropic to tropic.

2019-04-15 10:05:53 UTC

No, I'm not.

2019-04-15 10:06:13 UTC

I started at a neutral standpoint; I don't know whether the earth was flat or spherical

2019-04-15 10:07:19 UTC

However, as we can observe the earth being flat directly AND we cannot observe any curvature whatsoever DESPITE knowing what curvature we would expect IF the earth was spherical, the only conclusion we can draw is that the earth is in fact flat, and not spherical

2019-04-15 10:07:53 UTC

the earth is round

2019-04-15 10:07:55 UTC

dummies

2019-04-15 10:08:04 UTC

>.<

2019-04-15 10:08:11 UTC

A flat earth can also be round, yes

2019-04-15 10:08:26 UTC

no that’s not how that works

2019-04-15 10:08:59 UTC

@road to diabetes thats not my opinion so call it as you wish, i dont support nor deny it, its just a point of view of another person

2019-04-15 10:09:01 UTC

8 inch per square mile is an approximation via Taylor-Series. It works up to a certain degree until the uncertainty becomes too high

2019-04-15 10:09:27 UTC

However, as it's an approximation, you would still expect results close to the approximation, you don't. At all.

2019-04-15 10:09:45 UTC

No, they didn't.

2019-04-15 10:09:51 UTC

hmph

2019-04-15 10:10:17 UTC

bro are you an Ancient Greek? 🤧 didn’t think so

2019-04-15 10:10:40 UTC

bro they’re dead for a reason

2019-04-15 10:10:41 UTC

Except that all our laser experiments show no curvature whatsoever. People like D.Marble made multiple such experiments that show no curvature

2019-04-15 10:11:05 UTC

@road to diabetes Do you see the problem with that?

2019-04-15 10:11:14 UTC

"The moon might be round, therefore the earth is also round"

2019-04-15 10:11:18 UTC

That's a non-sequitur

2019-04-15 10:11:34 UTC

bro stand up and tell me if you fall forward

2019-04-15 10:11:48 UTC

Light doesn't bend at long distances.

2019-04-15 10:12:04 UTC

Light only diffracts due to refraction

2019-04-15 10:12:37 UTC

Light only bends around non-zero gravitational gradient fields

2019-04-15 10:14:19 UTC

Gravitational fields affect anything with a non-zero mass-momentum-stress tensor. Photons have no mass energy, but they have momentum energy and are thus affected by gravity

2019-04-15 10:15:13 UTC

ahem

2019-04-15 10:15:17 UTC

Been nice trollin'

2019-04-15 10:15:24 UTC

The Earth's round lmao

2019-04-15 10:15:31 UTC

I've been trollin'

2019-04-15 10:15:31 UTC

Wherever there is mass, there is an affect we attribute to gravity

2019-04-15 10:15:39 UTC