Message from @Capuno
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Catalonia is the richest ccaa
well thats not even propaganda thats your friends talking without knowledge tbh
typical spaniard
the true question is, will they keep the Euro too
no points in parting with the rest of Spain if they stay in EU
and if they do get out of EU at the same time, welcome a new monkey money that worth less than the Zimbabwe dollar ❤
i mean, i'm so going to travel to barcelona to spend my money there...
every spanish that leaves the country has the right to have the spanish nationality for the rest of his live, meaning we will still be europeans
if we leave europe we still can use the euro
well it's not related... i'm french, france is part of Europe, but if I go to the USA (or any country outside europe), I can't pay with my euros...
if cataluña isn't part of europe anymore, they would have to have their own money. You can't keep europe advantages and throw away just the bad points it doesn't work like that and whoever told you so is either lying or talking out of his ass . Even though the habitants there may keep their spanish nationality, it has nothing to do with the creation of a new independant country and its related money
when you create a new country, you have a new money, and it turns out that its value will be really low compared to any other money for international trades and whatnot. So if you import anything, you're going to pay it the high price.
UK were lucky/smart/whatever to have kept their pounds because the brexit would have fucked them even harder then.
now if your newly created country decide to stay in EU, well, I don't see any huge reasons to part with the rest of Spain...
I might be lacking some informations about why that region wants its independance from the rest of Spain and still want to be a part of the EU. If you could tell me such reasons I might have a better insight on all of this
I don't know for sure towelie
but I think their separatism is more about identity than economics
will they still be a part of the european union though ?
because as I said, if they leave EU at the same time, I'm gonna spend my money there
@Towelie
> but if I go to the USA (or any country outside europe), I can't pay with my euros...
Thats because the other country uses another currency lmao
>You can't keep europe advantages and throw away just the bad points
The first who is gonna benefit if other countries use euros is not the country itself but Europe, since the more usage of his currency the more valuable the currency is, money its not like a trademarked mickey mouse.
>when you create a new country, you have a new money, and it turns out that its value will be really low compared to any other money for international trades and whatnot. So if you import anything, you're going to pay it the high price
Not if we still use euros
>now if your newly created country decide to stay in EU, well, I don't see any huge reasons to part with the rest of Spain...
You clearly have no idea what are you talking about, Catalonia could be a top 10 in the European economy ranking, but with the economical opression spain is pushing against us we are not living like if we were independent, all of us Catalonians are paying half our salaries to pay poor CCAA on spain, and we still have average lifes with the money that we have left. Also this is not a new thing, this independent ideology was from back then when the dictator franco was still alive, the Basque Country had fields and farmers so it was obviously gonna create a revolution with ETA against it but we had workers and we lived in big cities, so the revolution wasn't gonna happen here, but the idea of the independence continued until this last years when the spanish state firstly destroyed poor CCAA with big corruption scandals and lost money like valencia or andalusia and then to compensate this told Catalonia and the Basque Country to pay all of that since we have the strongest economy in spain, also Catalonia works different from other CCAA, we have our own govern, La Generalitat, and our own laws apart from spain, and since Europe would be stupid if it didn't want us in, since we would still be richer that most of other countries, your points about a new currency are obsolete, but if it was the case we had to leave europe, we could still use the euro.
Andorra is not part from the EU
but they're using the euro as their currency
@Capuno#9390 man you are funny. Your last link give example of "countries", islands ect that aren't in the Europe Zone but are clearly part of EU, like Frances territories (French Guyana, Réunion island, St. Pierre & Miquelon, etc.). Those territories are literally a part of France and hence, a part of EU. For Andorra, you should read this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andorra%E2%80%93European_Union_relations and you'll see that they signed an agreement and are considered a part of EU, much like Vatican City, etc. As for your argument, it clearly shows that you aren't the most informed on that situation either. Let me give you a small example: Switzerland isn't part of EU, they could clearly take advantage to use the euro currency because of their geographical position but they can't and use the Swiss Franc currency. That's how it works. If you are a country that want to use the Euro currency, you HAVE TO be part of EU or at least sign agreements with the European Union that makes you legible for that. If your region decide to be independent, it could definitely stay a part of EU, but in the case where it decide to leave the EU at the same time, no, you wouldn't keep the Euro currency unless you decide to sign agreements that contributes to the EU.
Again I said that I lack information on your region situation, so needs to be condescending either. And if you think that EU wouldn't put pressure on a newly made country (if you guys decided to stay) is funny and delusional. Spain pressure might look pale in comparison...
The guy in charge of government ethics is too fed up of Trump's ethics violations and resigned
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/883007616435269632
I don't think you want to come on Mike Pence
That's straight to the zapper
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/8/1679048/-3-Pictures-explains-why-the-world-is-laughing-at-the-USA
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/7/8/1678950/-Trump-Sitting-Alone-At-G20-Meeting-The-Perfect-Metaphor
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/7/1678449/--Hawaii-Five-O-stars-quit-after-CBS-refused-to-pay-them-as-much-as-their-white-co-stars
the kid that grabbed her charging cellphone in her bath... I call that the new millennial's natural selection.
parent warning other about it looks like natural selection didn't do it's job completly too...