Message from @Matt w/ AFM
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I dislike this attitude from church’s that are ”oh hey kids look we are cool we are with it”
It actually really offended me
@Wardidly it's like they didn't take god seriously tbh, like they cared more about being cool and hip and a good community mannn☮
Yeah these people lose sight of what’s important
Exactly
It’s this need to be contemporary that has absolutely ruined a lot of modern churches today. There’s no fear of God, there’s no real worship. They just want something to make them “feel good.” They only care about vindicating themselves instead of vindicating God.
^and it's why we see so much nonsense like this
"GayChurch.org" where's my cat o nine tails
I mean when they are loudly working in the middle of prayer so that they can bring a dramatic effect to it, it's literally what Jesus preaches against
It's "street corner preaching"
Sounds like you went to a douche church
Exactly, no fear of God
The problem is, the church is not a building—it's the body of Christ. When the body of Christ are in a congregation, it becomes a church.
Most churches are ear-tickling and boring anyway so I don't go to church because of "tradition."
@Jordanus Piscator what
checkmate
“Destroyed?” Wtf I thought that was Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson’s special technique
Here's some big brained ni🅱🅱a thoughts on Christianity and race-mixing:
“St Paul referred to the broader meaning of these laws against hybridization… (Deut.22:10), in II Corinthians 6:14: ‘Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?’ Unequal yoking plainly means mixed marriages between believers and unbelievers is clearly forbidden. But Deuteronomy 22:10 not only forbids unequal yoking by inference, and as a case law, but also unequal yoking generally. This means that an unequal marriage between believers or between unbelievers is wrong. Man was created in the image of God (Gen. 1:26), and woman is the reflected image of God in man, and from man (1 Cor. 11:1-12; Gen. 2:18, 21-23). ‘Helpmeet’ means a reflection or a mirror, an image of man, indicating that a woman must have something religiously and culturally in common with her husband.
“The burden of the law is thus against inter-religious, inter-racial, and inter-cultural marriages, in that they normally go against the very community which marriage is designed to establish. Unequal yoking means more than marriage. In society at large it means the enforced integration of various elements which are not congenial. Unequal yoking is in no realm productive of harmony; rather, it aggravates the differences and delays the growth of the different elements toward a Christian harmony and association. … Cross-cultural marriages are thus normally a failure… A man can identify character within his culture, but he cannot do more than identify the general character of another culture.”
R.J. Rushdoony,
The Institutes of Biblical Law
starts around 12 minutes, 30 seconds in this recording: https://rushdoonyradio.org/2018/06/25/ibl-hybridization-and-law/
That’s very interesting, but it comes into conflict with the fact that Moses, being an Israelite, married an Ethiopian aka a “Cushite”. After Aaron and Miriam scolded him for it, they were punished by God (he literally gave them Leprosy). Though there’s an argument to be made that this was simply because God held Moses in such high regard. And then there’s the fact that Joseph married Asenath, an Egyptian, and that’s more or less glossed over in the Bible, so not really sure what to make of that myself.
doesn't that just mean that Moses and Joseph sinned
I wonder that as well. You would think that that’d be made more clear, as God doesn’t take sins lightly. Even something as small as lying
I kinda see stuff like that as a "see, even these men weren't perfect like Jesus, they could never be" idk
I feel like the argument of "believers can't go with unbelievers" and saying that it is talking of race is a bit of a stretch.
It is indeed quite a stretch tbh
The only way I could see that working is if you were to use the example of the Israelites and the Canaanites. The Israelites were believers where as the Canaanites are always described as being immoral heathens. God even told the Israelites to slaughter them. But even then that doesn’t seem quite right
The way I see it, it doesn’t really sound to me like miscegenation is a “sin.” However, just because something is “permitted” doesn’t make it right necessarily. Race mixing is essentially ethnic genocide when done in droves like what we see today.
@slavwave
I think this is more of a theological problem in the context of the Torah.
I feel like whoever theorized ethno-nationalism on the basis of unyoked marriages being about culture and race have poor hermeneutical skills and are trying to interpret the Bible based on their pre-existing ideological views. I haven't seen the video yet, but I'm getting a bad taste of eisegesis from hearing the theory.
The reason the Israelites despised the other nations was because of their immorality, not their race; although, immorality and culture were closely related due to the perverted sons of God ruling as the spiritual gods over the nations. God took Israel as his own after he chose Abraham.
(Even they would reject God and worship the other gods later.)
If we want to argue ethno-nationalism, we shouldn't use the Israelite/heathen differentiation.
The reason God and the Israelites hated the other nations, according to my knowledge, was because they chose to not have God as their ruler. Thus, they fell into worshipping other deities and practicing horrific acts.
Acts 17:26-27
"**26** *And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, **27** so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us…*"
The coming of Jesus Christ (and thus his Holy Spirit at Pentecost) was to theologically reunite all under God much like they were before the Babel incident.
Since the perverted sons of God ruled over the other nations, God chose Abraham to lead them back.
Now through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's seed, Jesus would come forth to unite the peoples whom God created to be one in him theologically.
Before that, it was Jew or Gentile; now, it is all one in Christ, as Paul says.
http://faithandheritage.com/2011/01/a-biblical-defense-of-ethno-nationalism/
Best article I've found so far on the topic.
thoughts on quakerism?
Gibs rundown on that
you talkin bout the Quakers?
all I know is that they're pretty anti-violence iirc and there's a food brand named after em