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@Al_Bi I think you have to contextualize the prohibition of idol worship, which was during a time at which most of the western world was either Pagan or otherwise polytheistic. "Idols" refer primarily to the Pagan idols which were at the time seen less as Gods in the Christian sense but as sort of a superstitious symbol. You see the same thing in Islam, where Mohammed's first act after capturing Mecca is to destroy the idols of the regional tribes in the Kaaba. Canonizing or depicting holy people - especially martyrs, dates back to the origin of Christianity and is not, in my opinion, tantamount to idol worship

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@Matt w/ AFM Ah, you make a pretty valid point there. I’ll have to do a bit more research since it seems as though I’m not seeing the full scope of things in the way you are. Although it is important to note that scripture doesn’t mention anywhere, at all, as far as my knowledge goes that mere men and women are deserving of such reverence, whether they be “holy” or not. That and this idea of intercession and how people feel compelled to have Mary, for example, pray on their behalf. It just seems to me as though it detracts from God, and minimizes the sacrifice that He made for us. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen and heard instances of Catholics calling upon **Mary** to deliver them from evil rather than the Lord. And the supposed infallibility of the Pope that seems to be apart of the catholic faith is another thing that I see as absolutely unacceptable. And verses such as Romans 3:10 only affirm my position on that

@Al_Bi I will definitely concede that the Bible in no way mentions canonization, that practice didn't take hold until the 900s. As for intercession, that's really a matter of faith and if you feel it detracts from God than there's not much I can do to change your mind. As for the Pope, his infallibility was originally intended as a means to discredit false prophets which were EXTREMELY prevalent in the hundred years after Christ's death (Arians, Montanists, Artotyrites, etc) and ensure future generations would not follow their heresies. That said, I think that's definitely come around to bite us on the ass in modernity.

Am I correct to assume that you're Lutheran?

@Matt w/ AFM Thanks for the explanations, I actually really appreciate hearing them from someone like yourself. But again, I’ll definitely have to look more into this.

And no, I’m not explicitly Lutheran. I agree with some Lutheran ideas, but I haven’t looked into the sect quite enough yet to say that I stand with them. At the moment I am non-denominational, and I might stay that way if I find any Biblical reason to devote myself to one particular section of Christianity. I could very well be wrong in this belief, but the way I see it there’s no real need to bind yourself to a specific denomination as I don’t think it’s something that you need to simply follow the teachings of Christ and the Bible. But again, I could just be naive and missing something for holding that stance

Low IQ post but, why does a desert book matter THIS much?

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It's nice to see someone able to spend the time arguing the points about catholicism lol

@DCS Cause we think it helps provide the wisdom and truth to everlasting life 🙏

Why do you want everlasting life, isn't life sweet for its brevity?

It's not immortality in the world like you've seen in movies and stuff. There's an afterlife (as I and other desert book enthusiasts would affirm) in which life will continue. And I prefer the everlasting life in heaven as opposed to the eternal damnation of hell.

I was brought up Lutheran and the only problem I have with it right now is them slipping into the Jewish propaganda, that, and refusing to talk about politics or our people and how we have abandoned being the lions of Christ, most in control of the denomination are slowly degrading our faith just like the Satanists that have taken over the Catholic sect. hell, I went to a Christian meeting were next to all the denominations where present a few years ago and they had fucking women pastors and pastors that where divorced, and even had the AUDACISTY to say that the sacriment was just a representation of the blood and body of Christ and not the actual blood and body, they aren't Christians and they should be held accountable for their insidiuos sins of destroying the faith.

That, or we need another Luther to uncuck the faith and cleanse it of the heretics.

Part of Luther's mission was to specifically destroy the Catholic mass. "Having triumphed over the Mass, I think we have triumphed over the whole papacy." seems to be the most direct quote related to his sentiment on that.

"Let us return to the institution. We have then taken away the Mass, and we say in triumph against the Defender of the sacraments, that it is not a work nor a sacrifice, but a word and a sign of divine grace, which Christ uses for establishing and strengthening in us faith in Himself."

So he didn't like the mass, and the mass since vatican 2 is less 'sacrificial', but people don't seem to be returning - or perhaps they are i'm not sure.
The jewish propaganda is everywhere you want to see it. They only sell what you want to buy and too many fools want to buy the comfort of 'yeah i'm right I can be comfortable and I don't have to change'.

yaaaasss qweeen

This unironically

r u fuckin gaygan now

I have a lot of questions, I'd say I fall into the category of non-aligned lol

and that's a good fucking point no matter what your Faith is @johnnyc

nigga wut

why should we not be idolizing our ethnic archetypes of strength and power

why are we idolizing and following non-european peoples and faiths

Because why would the creator of the universe offer salvation only for certain races or ethnicities? Jesus was sent to save all people, it doesn’t mean we can’t retain our ethnic borders and culture.

^ literally no one claimed that Jesus is for whites only

The stated issue is the subscription so many have to an ultimately internationalist ideology. Thats the issue some have with Christianity.

He seemed to be asking why we should worship a seemingly non-European God. I understand the argument of Christianity being an internationalist ideology, I just don’t see why that’s a bad thing.

The international aspects of Christianity have been exploited to assist in the breakdown of European peoples' culture and borders. You need not look further than the Catholic Church for proof of that.

Exactly, they’ve been exploited. However I don’t think it’s inherently wrong that a religion include everyone who is righteous and accepts Jesus. I don’t think religion has to be connected to race as European pagans would probably believe. The Catholic Church is indeed corrupt, so I remain a proud Protestant (although one could argue the corruption has seeped into all denominations).

Europeans shouldn’t reject Christianity just because it started in the Middle East and offers salvation for everyone.

Right

I mean, if something is true then it's universally true

Fundamentalist Christians>new age "Christianity"

Change my mind

Protip: you can't

Lmao that’s like posting “trad Whites > fellow Whites, change my mind”

^

Just saw a show called "Jewish Jesus" on TBN

"Messianic Rabbi K.A. Schneider,a Jewish believer in Jesus and end times messenger of the lord, delivers the word of the lord with true passion of the Holy Spirit."

Jewish. Believes in divinity of Jesus. 🤔

I dunno why Christians get blamed for everything bad thats been happening, all I remember growing up was atheists and new age types all over the place shitting on the right as it was seen as implicitly Christian

weak White men are being blamed