you shouldn't have to do that, especially not for highschool and college students

but damn that would work

I've tried a lot of more leniant way to handle those kind of situation peacefully... like, telling them that they can go out, I won't mark them absent and the like

still, some disrespectful people prefer to stay and disturb every other student attending

@Null If we are talking about "due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others." or a simialer definition of respect then what is important in my position is the nature of the "regard". If you said "everyone should have basic respect for everyone else" then a few issues arise. Firstly is the semantics behind what you consider basic respect: does the "respect" for that person extend to their opinions? Why should automatic regard for someones opinions be given? If the said opinion has relative value based on my own perspective then that is the only time it makes sense to "respect" it. You will for instance not respect the opinion of someone who believes that a certain race of people should be killed. Why then is there such a thing as a basic respect for all people if the ultimate consideration remains to be one made by you yourself? It is not possible to have this basic standard. If all you mean is that we should "consider" other people in our own actions then that I suppose is fine but still entirely situational. Why then if every aspect of consideration for others and "respect" based on relative perspectives is there the notion that there should be a basic respect? It makes no sense, even those who claim to give such a thing can not possibly do so. But My specific issue with giving respect was not this, but rather the nature of "regard" in the context of asking for respect. You see the type of regard that a teacher asks for from a student is one of superiority and authority. That type of respect holds that the lesser should regard the superiors feelings, wishes or rights of higher importance than their own. That is the type of respect that is asked for when referring to something like "respect your elders" it is saying to place them in higher esteem based on an arbitrary notion of superiority. That is what the type of respect that I do not think should be given just because.

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in those case... what would be a good way to handle that ?

chaos, there's difference in not respecting one's opinion and one's person...

respect should be a mutual thing for everybody

It's an example

Imho, it shouldn't be situational

That is impossible

as a teacher, I don't ask for a higher form of respect than what I give my students

But do they know that?

Respect is relative, thats the very nature of the word

I end up working my ass out for them, for my knowledge to be shared properly to them, I ask them to respect that and the other students that wants to learn, nothing much

by no mean I like playing cops with them, it's a waste of energy and time for me

And that is exactly the situational type of respect with reason that the students can either accept or disregard. The problem is with a base standard for aribitrary reasons such as seniority or age.

but that would be something that could assurely works for the other students that want to learn

of course they can accept that or disregard it, but by disregarding it, it doesn't just harm me and the other students, but themselves too

in the case of a proper and mutual respect, not situational, this issue disappear

you say that respect is relative and situational. That might be because not everybody is taught the same form of respect

if it was the case, it wouldn't be all that much relative

Opinions in my chat? I ain't having none of that

This isn't your chat

why do you feel the need to say that @nrg ?

poor venom is going to depress

just say "yes master", bow down, and shut your trap

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See this is my point, yes it harms them to disregard that, but that notion of "harm" is from your reference frame and that is not an objective frame. The only way that it is "correct" is if the regard is given as expected by choice of the student as then your frames line up, and it is only correct within the commonality of your frames, not objectively. And you may refer to respect given by both parties as "mutual" but it is not the same, by very nature of the difference of positions, the type of regard a student gives a teacher is systematically more than the teacher gives the student, this is not really necessarily bad from my or yours or most peoples point of view. Respect can never not be situational, because people can never not be individually distinct. You can never teach people a common respect as I said in the previous wall of text.

Well, objectively, it harm my moral, and the students' moral that are actually here to learn. It's not that subjective...

now you are just using the word objectively and ascribing it to a subjective notion and calling that a counter argument.

Objectively, you're all gay

How is that subjective ? I mean, some student want to learn, they don't want to lag behind and get down with their studies

And i'm lucky enough that it's actually the majority of my students that are like this nowadays

how come someone acting like a jerk and disturbing other student isn't objectively harming them in their studies ?

and as I said, I don't think they give me more respect than what I give them. They respect the knowledge I share to them and I respect their commitement.

I see no differences in degrees of that kind of respect

Because those very things are ascribed subjective value, studying, disturbance, acting like a jerk, all are subjectively qualitative notions.

well, people taking phone call during lectures, speaking between them loudly, etc might be qualitative notions, but in the class point of view, it's objectively a disturbance

I could for instance probably act like a jerk, disturb other students and also excell at my studies. And this all just turns into moral argumentation, which is just subjective also.