Message from Tatsumaki in All Things Metal Gear #general

2017-03-17 09:40:35 UTC  

and that was present for older generations

2017-03-17 09:40:59 UTC  

I think respect for what our elders accomplished, and their work ethic and values, help shaped us to be in the state we are now

2017-03-17 09:41:05 UTC  

and a clear changement in behavior appeared

2017-03-17 09:41:11 UTC  

it's not regressive, it helps

2017-03-17 09:41:35 UTC  

it might be totally unfounded, but I can see that the result isnt the same than what our old generations had

2017-03-17 09:42:27 UTC  

maybe not a changement in behavior, maybe it's just that those behavior aren't repressed anymore

2017-03-17 09:42:37 UTC  

still, the result is far from being similar

2017-03-17 09:49:21 UTC  

I'm not calling for blindless punishment like you were describing earlier chaos... but more like appropriate, due and rightful 10" hand's slap in the face of student that disrespect the whole class by acting like jerks

2017-03-17 09:51:24 UTC  

With corporal punishment you're not teaching anyone respect and every parent knows this, you're only teaching them to despise you more to the point they don't give a shit what you have to say or what goal they want you to have. Don't force shit down our throats just because of your arbitrary beliefs. Chaos literally provided an example of this. To say the disappearance of corporal punishment is a result of what you see in millennials today with lack of respect and a false sense of reality is delusional. If you want people to have respect you have to teach them respect.

2017-03-17 09:51:35 UTC  

now I have to pray for a student to do the job himself, and pretend I didn't see anything 😄

2017-03-17 09:52:12 UTC  

it's not the role of the teacher to teach respect, at least, not college teacher like me

2017-03-17 09:52:27 UTC  

You think i give a shit what you think towelie

2017-03-17 09:52:31 UTC  

Just kidding towelie

2017-03-17 09:52:46 UTC  

😄 I'm kidding

2017-03-17 09:53:01 UTC  

but sometimes, a good old recallling of authority wouldn't do much damage

2017-03-17 09:54:33 UTC  

you shouldn't have to do that, especially not for highschool and college students

2017-03-17 09:54:42 UTC  

but damn that would work

2017-03-17 09:55:54 UTC  

I've tried a lot of more leniant way to handle those kind of situation peacefully... like, telling them that they can go out, I won't mark them absent and the like

2017-03-17 09:56:40 UTC  

still, some disrespectful people prefer to stay and disturb every other student attending

2017-03-17 09:56:54 UTC  

@Null If we are talking about "due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others." or a simialer definition of respect then what is important in my position is the nature of the "regard". If you said "everyone should have basic respect for everyone else" then a few issues arise. Firstly is the semantics behind what you consider basic respect: does the "respect" for that person extend to their opinions? Why should automatic regard for someones opinions be given? If the said opinion has relative value based on my own perspective then that is the only time it makes sense to "respect" it. You will for instance not respect the opinion of someone who believes that a certain race of people should be killed. Why then is there such a thing as a basic respect for all people if the ultimate consideration remains to be one made by you yourself? It is not possible to have this basic standard. If all you mean is that we should "consider" other people in our own actions then that I suppose is fine but still entirely situational. Why then if every aspect of consideration for others and "respect" based on relative perspectives is there the notion that there should be a basic respect? It makes no sense, even those who claim to give such a thing can not possibly do so. But My specific issue with giving respect was not this, but rather the nature of "regard" in the context of asking for respect. You see the type of regard that a teacher asks for from a student is one of superiority and authority. That type of respect holds that the lesser should regard the superiors feelings, wishes or rights of higher importance than their own. That is the type of respect that is asked for when referring to something like "respect your elders" it is saying to place them in higher esteem based on an arbitrary notion of superiority. That is what the type of respect that I do not think should be given just because.

2017-03-17 09:56:56 UTC  

🆙 | **Chaos leveled up!**

2017-03-17 09:56:56 UTC  

in those case... what would be a good way to handle that ?

2017-03-17 09:58:18 UTC  

chaos, there's difference in not respecting one's opinion and one's person...

2017-03-17 09:58:30 UTC  

respect should be a mutual thing for everybody

2017-03-17 09:58:32 UTC  

It's an example

2017-03-17 09:59:10 UTC  

Imho, it shouldn't be situational

2017-03-17 09:59:26 UTC  

That is impossible

2017-03-17 10:00:16 UTC  

as a teacher, I don't ask for a higher form of respect than what I give my students

2017-03-17 10:00:59 UTC  

But do they know that?

2017-03-17 10:01:15 UTC  

Respect is relative, thats the very nature of the word

2017-03-17 10:01:35 UTC  

I end up working my ass out for them, for my knowledge to be shared properly to them, I ask them to respect that and the other students that wants to learn, nothing much

2017-03-17 10:02:55 UTC  

by no mean I like playing cops with them, it's a waste of energy and time for me

2017-03-17 10:02:55 UTC  

And that is exactly the situational type of respect with reason that the students can either accept or disregard. The problem is with a base standard for aribitrary reasons such as seniority or age.

2017-03-17 10:03:18 UTC  

but that would be something that could assurely works for the other students that want to learn

2017-03-17 10:04:25 UTC  

of course they can accept that or disregard it, but by disregarding it, it doesn't just harm me and the other students, but themselves too

2017-03-17 10:05:00 UTC  

in the case of a proper and mutual respect, not situational, this issue disappear

2017-03-17 10:06:53 UTC  

you say that respect is relative and situational. That might be because not everybody is taught the same form of respect

2017-03-17 10:07:18 UTC  

if it was the case, it wouldn't be all that much relative

2017-03-17 10:11:08 UTC  

Opinions in my chat? I ain't having none of that

2017-03-17 10:11:44 UTC  

This isn't your chat

2017-03-17 10:12:05 UTC  

why do you feel the need to say that @nrg ?