It comes from no other place than your interpersonal biases

well, my personnal point of view has biases, of course

and I wish you could prove me wrong

but for now, I'm going to keep that opinion of mine because based on what i've seen, it's pretty much accurate

maybe those young student will surpise me someday

Towelie you're seem to forget that people from the 60s had different influential factors than the people from the 50s and while of course every generation has had their own sort of delinquents, they're not all that different, are you basing respect off of teenagers or adults?

sure nrg, but at that time, corporal punishement would keep those delinquents in check

that was the main discussion in the beginning

It's incredibly irrational, based on historical accounts every generation has expressed simialer sentiment as you are now about the younger generation at the time. The same thing you are saying now about the current generation an older generation was saying about the generation you praise. It's just blind conservative regressionism, if we followed your sentiments all the way down history then eventually we'd be back in the stone age.

no need to go back to the stone age, the main topic was corporal punishement in the begining

something that disapeared where I live and where I teached

and that was present for older generations

I think respect for what our elders accomplished, and their work ethic and values, help shaped us to be in the state we are now

and a clear changement in behavior appeared

it's not regressive, it helps

it might be totally unfounded, but I can see that the result isnt the same than what our old generations had

maybe not a changement in behavior, maybe it's just that those behavior aren't repressed anymore

still, the result is far from being similar

I'm not calling for blindless punishment like you were describing earlier chaos... but more like appropriate, due and rightful 10" hand's slap in the face of student that disrespect the whole class by acting like jerks

With corporal punishment you're not teaching anyone respect and every parent knows this, you're only teaching them to despise you more to the point they don't give a shit what you have to say or what goal they want you to have. Don't force shit down our throats just because of your arbitrary beliefs. Chaos literally provided an example of this. To say the disappearance of corporal punishment is a result of what you see in millennials today with lack of respect and a false sense of reality is delusional. If you want people to have respect you have to teach them respect.

now I have to pray for a student to do the job himself, and pretend I didn't see anything 😄

it's not the role of the teacher to teach respect, at least, not college teacher like me

You think i give a shit what you think towelie

Just kidding towelie

😄 I'm kidding

but sometimes, a good old recallling of authority wouldn't do much damage

you shouldn't have to do that, especially not for highschool and college students

but damn that would work

I've tried a lot of more leniant way to handle those kind of situation peacefully... like, telling them that they can go out, I won't mark them absent and the like

still, some disrespectful people prefer to stay and disturb every other student attending

@Null If we are talking about "due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others." or a simialer definition of respect then what is important in my position is the nature of the "regard". If you said "everyone should have basic respect for everyone else" then a few issues arise. Firstly is the semantics behind what you consider basic respect: does the "respect" for that person extend to their opinions? Why should automatic regard for someones opinions be given? If the said opinion has relative value based on my own perspective then that is the only time it makes sense to "respect" it. You will for instance not respect the opinion of someone who believes that a certain race of people should be killed. Why then is there such a thing as a basic respect for all people if the ultimate consideration remains to be one made by you yourself? It is not possible to have this basic standard. If all you mean is that we should "consider" other people in our own actions then that I suppose is fine but still entirely situational. Why then if every aspect of consideration for others and "respect" based on relative perspectives is there the notion that there should be a basic respect? It makes no sense, even those who claim to give such a thing can not possibly do so. But My specific issue with giving respect was not this, but rather the nature of "regard" in the context of asking for respect. You see the type of regard that a teacher asks for from a student is one of superiority and authority. That type of respect holds that the lesser should regard the superiors feelings, wishes or rights of higher importance than their own. That is the type of respect that is asked for when referring to something like "respect your elders" it is saying to place them in higher esteem based on an arbitrary notion of superiority. That is what the type of respect that I do not think should be given just because.

🆙 | **Chaos leveled up!**

in those case... what would be a good way to handle that ?

chaos, there's difference in not respecting one's opinion and one's person...

respect should be a mutual thing for everybody

It's an example

Imho, it shouldn't be situational

That is impossible

as a teacher, I don't ask for a higher form of respect than what I give my students

But do they know that?

Respect is relative, thats the very nature of the word