Message from @The Lemon

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2018-12-16 22:37:49 UTC  

who the fuck made this bot

2018-12-16 23:07:54 UTC  

@atheist4thecause Of course they have some effect on the economy but my point was that the gradual decrease in unemployment over the past 9 years was inevitable assuming we recovered from the recession

Sure the Democrats are blocking trump with the border wall (probably good its a waste of money) but when Obama was in power Trump criticised Obama for not getting stuff done when the republicans blocked him, why shouldn't trump get the same treatment?

Whether or not Obama firat drafted the list or not (I'm not actually a huge Obama fan myself far prefer Bernie) Trump still tried to implement the Muslim ban and the list of countries didn't make sense. If its truly about minimising risk then why not block all countries that could pose a threat. Furthermore the majority of Muslim terrorists are radicalised after they come to the west so blocking immigration does little to nothing (plus radical Islamic terrorism was already going down due to the fall of ISIS)

The problem with banning trans people is it was thousands and thousands of people being instantly fired by the president himself, over twitter, with no warning, and with no consultation with his millitary advisors or the pentagon whatsoever, claiming it was to do with money when that clearly was not a problem seeing as they spend more money on fucking viagra. Most trans people are as physically healthy and the majority have also already gone through hormone treatment or haven't gone through it yet and therefore perfectly capable of serving in the millitary.

2018-12-16 23:09:39 UTC  

I'd say protections on the environment are going to become more important in America now that trump wants to bring back coal so badly. Also of course it is going to have a negative effect on the economy, that's the trade off for having new Orleans above water.

I don't know a huge amount about NAFTA but from what I've heard the new deal is worse, I'll get back to you on that one though.

Again for Obamacare, Obama was criticised by people like trump for "not getting stuff done" when republicans blocked what he wanted to do so why shouldn't trump get the same treatment. The Democrats in the senate are democratically elected and representing the population so it needs to be a deal they are happy with before he should be allowed to pass it.

You say there were very few white supremacists but I quite clearly saw a massive crowd of people chanting "Jews will not replace us" Trump's exact words were "there were very bad people, on both sides" very positive and unifying there. @atheist4thecause

2018-12-16 23:11:46 UTC  

@atheist4thecause I never said running out of fossil fuels is not a serious problem although to be honest it isn't. The main problem with fossil fuels is all the CO2 that they produce and the effect on global warming and the greenhouse effect.

2018-12-16 23:12:06 UTC  

@atheist4thecause Although I do want to get a couple of things straight because I have very strong opinions on this topic, firstly I don't buy into the bullshit that we'll all die by 2050, The uncertainty in our calculations of global warming means the change in temperature in the next century could be roughly anywhere between 1-4 degrees increase. That's the difference between pretty insignificant and total Armageddon. What we do know about global warming however is that our actions on the planet especially with fossil fuels are having an effect on it

2018-12-16 23:13:54 UTC  

Namely they are speeding it up

2018-12-16 23:14:00 UTC  

Sure we really don't know by how much

2018-12-16 23:14:00 UTC  

@Big Smoke Чунгус Obama's unemployment rate dropped drastically. It hiked under Bush when the Housing Market Bubble popped.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098339961798676/524001280247463937/UnemploymentBushObama2.png

2018-12-16 23:14:07 UTC  

But we know it will become a problem at some point in the future

2018-12-16 23:14:14 UTC  

Thank you btw

2018-12-16 23:14:23 UTC  

for that graph cba to find it myself

2018-12-16 23:14:38 UTC  

But also secondly for the record I am more pro-nuclear than anyone else you will ever meet

2018-12-16 23:14:49 UTC  

My argument was exactly the opposite of anti nuclear

2018-12-16 23:15:13 UTC  

My point was it takes a while to put the research in and build the stations now before we start to run out of fossil fuels

2018-12-16 23:15:22 UTC  

Aka we should hurry the fuck up with converting to nuclear

2018-12-16 23:15:32 UTC  

Rather than "waiting until the market wants it"

2018-12-16 23:15:47 UTC  

Also we need to put a lot more energy in to thorium nuclear power

2018-12-16 23:16:01 UTC  

I won't get started on that right now because I could honestly rant about it for ages

2018-12-16 23:16:10 UTC  

And it's already past 11PM here

2018-12-16 23:16:19 UTC  

But ask me about it another time and I'd be happy to explain it to you

2018-12-16 23:16:25 UTC  

But really I am pro nuclear

2018-12-16 23:16:36 UTC  

Also that converting cO2 project is a bit pointless

2018-12-16 23:16:58 UTC  

Because you're converting CO2 back into fuel which is then burnt releasing the CO2 again

2018-12-16 23:17:06 UTC  

Basic chemistry

2018-12-16 23:17:19 UTC  

It dosen't decrease the CO2 in the atmosphere it just keeps it the same

2018-12-16 23:17:40 UTC  

Anyway I need to go cya

2018-12-16 23:18:02 UTC  

But yeah I have strong opinions about nuclear power

2018-12-16 23:18:41 UTC  

Especially about fusion which is always "20 years away"

2018-12-16 23:18:48 UTC  

Has been since the mid fucking 20th century

2018-12-16 23:23:10 UTC  

Apparently Nuclear Power Plants are the safest Power Plants! Ironic!

2018-12-16 23:23:40 UTC  

The problem is that when somethinf bad happens, it's very big

2018-12-16 23:23:43 UTC  

Very very big

2018-12-16 23:29:37 UTC  

those are the reasons we need to conside does risk= reward?

2018-12-16 23:29:40 UTC  

@The Lemon This unemployment rate was not inevitable. We are hitting record lows with certain demographics such as Blacks and women (close to it if not record low for women), and the unemployment rate in general is as low as it has been since the 1960's. That's a big deal and far from inevitable. Obama and Trump both deserve credit, not have credit taken away from both of them.

You say Trump criticized Obama for not getting stuff done, and now you give Trump the same treatment. Did you agree with Trump's criticism of Obama. If not, why would you act the way in which you disagreed with? Criticizing Trump for not getting every little policy accomplished in 2 years because he criticized Obama is petty and dishonest.

The Muslim ban did make sense because those countries were a high risk for creating extremists. It's also not true that the majority of radicalization happens after people come to the West. Most radicalization happens in these 3rd world countries. You talk about the fall of ISIS, but that was partly where the risk was coming from. When ISIS falls, you have all those followers that are going to go places.

On the Trans issue, thousands of people didn't get fired. They got grandfathered in.

On coal, I think you have Trump wrong. He's not pro-coal, he's anti-killing coal. Trump is in favor of ALL types of energy, including renewables. He wants to make the USA a leading exporter of energy. Democrats were trying to artificially kill coal more quickly with heavy regulations. If coal loses in the free market, so be it.

2018-12-16 23:32:16 UTC  

Oh, I'm a Walk Away Republican

2018-12-16 23:32:29 UTC  

No need to tell me about this shit

2018-12-16 23:38:21 UTC  

@The Lemon I didn't say there were very few White supremacists at the statue, I said there are very few White supremacists in society. The ones that do exist are outcasts. I also said that at the statue, there were many free speech advocates, which Trump referred to as very nice people. You say Trump wasn't being unifying, but he said, "Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/

On global warming, climate alarmists aren't saying we'll all die by 2050, they are saying the world will be beyond repair by 2050. That's BS. You seem to agree, though, so that's good. According to the NCA4, our GDP will be harmed 10% by 2100 while it grows 300% for a net gain of 290%, and that's assuming some extreme stuff like 8 C degree rise in temperature. https://twitter.com/AndrewDessler/status/1067482325108301824 Simply put, climate change is affordable.

2018-12-16 23:39:16 UTC  

Wtf is the Paris Agreement?

2018-12-16 23:39:19 UTC  

Does fuck all

2018-12-16 23:39:27 UTC  

China basically has free reign