so why did we bring in ethnic groups again?

@raqdog and that's why education should be universal and not be profited upon

Because it's a clearly demarcated group.

I see you mention profit again, why shouldn't someone profit off of it?

Someone is profiting when tax dollars are used.

because education is a basic human right, it should not be profited upon.

water and basic services are essential, would you like someone to cut corners and profit off it, at the expense of the community?

If anything, they profit even more, reduce their efficiency, because they are absolved of risk due to government backing, and they students will be worse off

how so?

Water isn't typically owned by the government. And when it is (read cadillac desert) it is a disaster.

the USSR made education compulsory and heavily subsidised for people up to 22 years old, look how many distinguished mathematicians, physicians and scientists they produced

If the institution needs to put perform its competitors, it will continue to improve itself. If it's told it will be subsidizing whether or not it's good at what it does or not, they are absolved of risk and absolved of needing to out perform eachother

Yeah but you are talking about a country that idolizes the United States

They collapsed during the Cold War because of communism, it did not incentivize their factories and government backed industries to do anything but pass preplanned inspections

why do we need to have competition in regards to education? Education isn't a business or a commodity here, it should be a human right

@raqdog the USSR never achieved communism, communism is the transition from socialism to a moneyless, classless and stateless society, and the USSR was none of it.

They would get everything working for a brief period during inspections and then let it all fail the rest of the time. Human beings are incentive driven creatures. We do the bare minimum to keep up

It's good to think about education like a right, I like that

But it is like a commodity, it's an investment in yourself

the collapse of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with incentives, the piece-shake economic model depdned on periods of rapid growth

in the 60s there was a huge debate on how to reform the economy

I think the only thing that kept the Soviet Union going so long was incentive to compete with America

no

They were so heavily propagandized

it would have still lived, the Soviets never hated the American people, they only hated the bureaucracy

Gorbachev ruined everything

They didn't hate us, they envied us

the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of the oligarchs

They wanted to be as successful

I don't think that's the case

but still, the achievements of the USSR under socialism was impressive

if they didn't do some drastic and wrong decisions the Union would have still lived.

Yeah, it's a good business model, I just don't think it's as good as capitalism

dude

Capitalism is a good business model because it will quickly process and expunge other business models that don't work

socialism isn't even a alternative to capitalism

it's the transition from capitalism

have you ever read about historical dialectics?

Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella

we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism

Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing