Message from @raqdog

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2018-10-29 12:38:08 UTC  

what?

2018-10-29 12:38:38 UTC  

Government subsidizing and risk absolving

2018-10-29 12:38:53 UTC  

Affirmative action

2018-10-29 12:39:39 UTC  

Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.

2018-10-29 12:40:28 UTC  

even with the government cutting subsidies private schools are still more expensive imo, the USA isn't a good example of nationalisation, a good example of how nationalisation worked would be the Gotha program

2018-10-29 12:41:08 UTC  

plus college costs keep rising due to inflation and them charging too much for it.

2018-10-29 12:43:42 UTC  

The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids

2018-10-29 12:44:24 UTC  

The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best

2018-10-29 12:45:22 UTC  

The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year

2018-10-29 12:46:15 UTC  

The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them

2018-10-29 12:46:41 UTC  

But they aren't taught it's the school system, they are told its republicans or it's their race, or their class

2018-10-29 12:46:58 UTC  

what? The Soviet school system was one of the best in the world lol, even with some level of corruption. Where could you possibly find a nation devastated by WW1 and a civil war, yet by the 40th anniversary of the Russian Revolution launch the first satellite into space.

2018-10-29 12:47:07 UTC  

idk about how grading in the USA works, so yea.

2018-10-29 12:47:57 UTC  

but in my country, government schools are one of the best, their free until tertiary education.

2018-10-29 12:48:00 UTC  

Ok, the soviets were smart. But the problem is, they were smart about the wrong things when they became adults.

2018-10-29 12:48:13 UTC  

became adults?

2018-10-29 12:48:28 UTC  

what?

2018-10-29 12:49:18 UTC  

I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while

2018-10-29 12:49:54 UTC  

Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers

2018-10-29 12:50:09 UTC  

what no, they had every incentive to work. Its a common misconception that under socialism there's no incentives, which is compeletiy false.

2018-10-29 12:50:13 UTC  

The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce

2018-10-29 12:50:24 UTC  

the collapse of the SU had nothing to do with incentives

2018-10-29 12:50:35 UTC  

I think it's all about incentive

2018-10-29 12:51:03 UTC  

Think about it like this, this is a bit of a rabbit hole:

2018-10-29 12:51:25 UTC  

no it isn't, it's poor leadership and wrong economic planning by the Politburo, and the collapse of the Union was further exasperated by a certain Gorbachev

2018-10-29 12:52:31 UTC  

In the effort to make an artificially intelligent robot. The hardest hurdle to first overcome is to get the machine to even recognize objects

2018-10-29 12:52:57 UTC  

The whole world is just one big object to the machine, it can't distinguish anything

2018-10-29 12:53:58 UTC  

Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important

2018-10-29 12:54:50 UTC  

And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out

2018-10-29 12:56:21 UTC  

These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock

2018-10-29 12:57:21 UTC  

It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.

2018-10-29 12:58:38 UTC  

i understand your example, but incentivisation had nothing to do with the collapse or the SU, I alr explained the reasons why it collapsed

2018-10-29 12:58:41 UTC  

Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism

2018-10-29 12:59:09 UTC  

did you know that workers are actually more incentivised under socialism than capitalism?

2018-10-29 12:59:24 UTC  

this again is directly related to the theory of socially necessary labour time

2018-10-29 12:59:52 UTC  

Yeah explain that. You get snlt and it's like a currency?

2018-10-29 13:00:10 UTC  

it's a false narrative that the profit motive is what defined capitalism, under a capitalist system the profit motive only benefits the bourgeois and not the workers

2018-10-29 13:00:37 UTC  

Well

2018-10-29 13:01:10 UTC  

socially necessary labour time is the amount of labour (in labour hours) a worker puts into his work

2018-10-29 13:02:34 UTC  

I thought this version of socialism only applied to education and medicine. How do you rope workers into it?

2018-10-29 13:03:54 UTC  

no, wtf