Message from @raqdog
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They were so heavily propagandized
it would have still lived, the Soviets never hated the American people, they only hated the bureaucracy
Gorbachev ruined everything
They didn't hate us, they envied us
the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of the oligarchs
They wanted to be as successful
I don't think that's the case
but still, the achievements of the USSR under socialism was impressive
if they didn't do some drastic and wrong decisions the Union would have still lived.
Yeah, it's a good business model, I just don't think it's as good as capitalism
dude
Capitalism is a good business model because it will quickly process and expunge other business models that don't work
socialism isn't even a alternative to capitalism
it's the transition from capitalism
have you ever read about historical dialectics?
Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism
Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing
what?
Government subsidizing and risk absolving
Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.
even with the government cutting subsidies private schools are still more expensive imo, the USA isn't a good example of nationalisation, a good example of how nationalisation worked would be the Gotha program
plus college costs keep rising due to inflation and them charging too much for it.
The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids
The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best
The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year
The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them
But they aren't taught it's the school system, they are told its republicans or it's their race, or their class
what? The Soviet school system was one of the best in the world lol, even with some level of corruption. Where could you possibly find a nation devastated by WW1 and a civil war, yet by the 40th anniversary of the Russian Revolution launch the first satellite into space.
idk about how grading in the USA works, so yea.
but in my country, government schools are one of the best, their free until tertiary education.
Ok, the soviets were smart. But the problem is, they were smart about the wrong things when they became adults.
became adults?
what?
I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while
Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers
what no, they had every incentive to work. Its a common misconception that under socialism there's no incentives, which is compeletiy false.
The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce
the collapse of the SU had nothing to do with incentives
I think it's all about incentive