Message from @Leiro レイロ
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the USSR made education compulsory and heavily subsidised for people up to 22 years old, look how many distinguished mathematicians, physicians and scientists they produced
If the institution needs to put perform its competitors, it will continue to improve itself. If it's told it will be subsidizing whether or not it's good at what it does or not, they are absolved of risk and absolved of needing to out perform eachother
Yeah but you are talking about a country that idolizes the United States
They collapsed during the Cold War because of communism, it did not incentivize their factories and government backed industries to do anything but pass preplanned inspections
why do we need to have competition in regards to education? Education isn't a business or a commodity here, it should be a human right
@raqdog the USSR never achieved communism, communism is the transition from socialism to a moneyless, classless and stateless society, and the USSR was none of it.
They would get everything working for a brief period during inspections and then let it all fail the rest of the time. Human beings are incentive driven creatures. We do the bare minimum to keep up
It's good to think about education like a right, I like that
But it is like a commodity, it's an investment in yourself
the collapse of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with incentives, the piece-shake economic model depdned on periods of rapid growth
in the 60s there was a huge debate on how to reform the economy
I think the only thing that kept the Soviet Union going so long was incentive to compete with America
no
They were so heavily propagandized
it would have still lived, the Soviets never hated the American people, they only hated the bureaucracy
Gorbachev ruined everything
They didn't hate us, they envied us
the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of the oligarchs
They wanted to be as successful
I don't think that's the case
if they didn't do some drastic and wrong decisions the Union would have still lived.
Yeah, it's a good business model, I just don't think it's as good as capitalism
dude
Capitalism is a good business model because it will quickly process and expunge other business models that don't work
socialism isn't even a alternative to capitalism
it's the transition from capitalism
have you ever read about historical dialectics?
Oh I see, well I would still think that medicine and education should be allowed to function under a capitalist umbrella
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism
Student loan debts are out of control currently because the education systems are socializing
what?
Government subsidizing and risk absolving
Affirmative action
Programs that try provide access to education for those that can't obtain it otherwise are doing the exact opposite of what was intended.
even with the government cutting subsidies private schools are still more expensive imo, the USA isn't a good example of nationalisation, a good example of how nationalisation worked would be the Gotha program
plus college costs keep rising due to inflation and them charging too much for it.
The tuition rises because of government involvement. I don't think more government involvement would help. Schools need to demonstrate that they are in need of the money and this leads to Soviet Union type mess where you start to have teachers faking test score, attendance records, and just ruining the kids
The incentive needs to lie on just being a good school because the school down the street is also trying to be the best
The incentive shouldn't be, pass 50
Kids with an A and get a bonus at the end of the year. Or demonstrate that all your kids can pass this standardized test and the government will give you a grant for next year
The kids get passed along in this process, failing as they go, thinking that something is wrong with the system now and not them