Message from @Leiro レイロ

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2018-10-29 12:53:58 UTC  

Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important

2018-10-29 12:54:50 UTC  

And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out

2018-10-29 12:56:21 UTC  

These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock

2018-10-29 12:57:21 UTC  

It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.

2018-10-29 12:58:38 UTC  

i understand your example, but incentivisation had nothing to do with the collapse or the SU, I alr explained the reasons why it collapsed

2018-10-29 12:58:41 UTC  

Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism

2018-10-29 12:59:09 UTC  

did you know that workers are actually more incentivised under socialism than capitalism?

2018-10-29 12:59:24 UTC  

this again is directly related to the theory of socially necessary labour time

2018-10-29 12:59:52 UTC  

Yeah explain that. You get snlt and it's like a currency?

2018-10-29 13:00:10 UTC  

it's a false narrative that the profit motive is what defined capitalism, under a capitalist system the profit motive only benefits the bourgeois and not the workers

2018-10-29 13:00:37 UTC  

Well

2018-10-29 13:01:10 UTC  

socially necessary labour time is the amount of labour (in labour hours) a worker puts into his work

2018-10-29 13:02:34 UTC  

I thought this version of socialism only applied to education and medicine. How do you rope workers into it?

2018-10-29 13:03:54 UTC  

no, wtf

2018-10-29 13:04:00 UTC  

education and medicine are just examples

2018-10-29 13:04:25 UTC  

under socialism

2018-10-29 13:04:36 UTC  

I think your on the wrong page, my friend

2018-10-29 13:04:57 UTC  

Yeah I don't get it. Is it like social security?

2018-10-29 13:05:45 UTC  

Are all snlt equal? If you are a janitor or a high level official?

2018-10-29 13:06:07 UTC  

no obviously, it depends on their profession

2018-10-29 13:06:21 UTC  

but the snlt is only temporary

2018-10-29 13:06:30 UTC  

under socialism we would have achieved post scarcity

2018-10-29 13:06:40 UTC  

so there's no need for wage labour or wages or money in general

2018-10-29 13:09:46 UTC  

Can we ever erradicate scarcity though. Isn't it just relative. You'd think the USA was full of people at the poverty line. But that line is always adjusting itself

2018-10-29 13:10:17 UTC  

Those poor people all have iPhones, clean water, flat screen TVs

2018-10-29 13:11:25 UTC  

eradicate scarcity? Yes, in a few centuries to thousands of years, depending on the rythhemic system of innovation. How many people in the USA are homeless, unemployed, can't afford education or healthcare again?

2018-10-29 13:11:56 UTC  

Lol it is not physically possible to eradicate scarcity. Do you live in an infinite universe?

2018-10-29 13:12:00 UTC  

What kind of bullshit is that

2018-10-29 13:12:51 UTC  

post scarcity is a actual theory, check it out. It's not currently possible at our present timescale of course, that's why I said centuries to thousands of years

2018-10-29 13:12:52 UTC  

There will always be those type of people. The US Military, only allows someone to join if they have an ASVAB score above 85

2018-10-29 13:12:59 UTC  

?

2018-10-29 13:13:39 UTC  

If your ASVAB score falls below that, not only is there no position they can use you in, but in all likelihood you would cause more problems than help

2018-10-29 13:13:52 UTC  

uh okay

2018-10-29 13:13:59 UTC  

so what does it have to do with this?

2018-10-29 13:14:28 UTC  

And keep in mind, this is one of the most extensive human efforts achieved to determine how to keep the ranks full

2018-10-29 13:14:48 UTC  

For times of war that could determine the outcome of whether the nation lives and dies

2018-10-29 13:15:18 UTC  

look, I don't understand why your linking irrelevant points to this.

2018-10-29 13:15:47 UTC  

10% of the population falls below this ASVAB score. There will always be homeless people and uneducated people, and people who we just don't know what to do with

2018-10-29 13:16:04 UTC  

And giving them money does not solve the issue.

2018-10-29 13:16:19 UTC  

socialism isn't free money, LOL

2018-10-29 13:16:30 UTC  

Or giving them an equal share and telling them to work for snlt does not solve it