lmao soviet union literally played catch up the entire cold war

even when they tried to copy our technologies they couldnt match up

they simply could not allocate resources efficiently at all

Prisoners??? At least we aren't running gulags

Obviously, compare the Russian empire to the USA at the onset of WW1. One practically industrialised and one was rural and agrarian.

comparing the SU and the USA is comparing apples to oranges

Have you even read the gulag archipelago??

was it because the "intellectual" bolsheviks killed off everyone useful?

seems normal for communist revolutions

and yet, just 40 years after the Russian revolution, the SU launched the first satellite N space.

I'd rather go to prison than quietly disappear

@Egoy I'm talking about the Russian empire at WW1.

I don't support communism or bolehevism, anyway.

and yet, the ussr collapsed after hundreds of millions of deaths and plunged that region into economic decay that remains today

as I said, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the result of poor leadership and poor economic planning by the Politburo. nothing to do with socialism or communism anyway, the Union would have lived if not for a certain someone

at least no oligarchs controlling everything

Ok let's talk about leadership then

I think no matter what you do, the same leaders will always make to the top

that's the bourgeois in a nutshell

yeah i think marxists conveniently eliminate the human condition in their laboratory-safe conditions

So then why blame it on the leadership?

If it will just continue to repeat itself?

@Egoy your conflating human nature with human behaviour lol. Read Peter kropotkin, he has clearly debunked the overused fallacy.

@raqdog that's the bourgeois, lol.

"We may summarize the Marxian doctrine in this way: In the beginning there are the 'material productive forces', i.e., the technological equipment of human productive efforts, the tools and machines. No question concerning their origin is permitted; they are, that is all; we must assume that they are dropped from heaven."

so? I don't understand the implication of the point your saying anyway. I'm not a Marxist, anyway.

It's the way hierarchal structures function

It predates or abilities to climb trees

@Leiro レイロ what are you then

historical materialism doesnt prove or mean anything

that's under capitalism lol, under socialism there would be no hierarchy

@Egoy democratic socialist

read Karl Popper if you still believe in historical materialism or historicism

Hierarchies exist in animals in our ancestral chain that predates our abilities to climb trees

Hierarchies are how we function. Put 10 kids in a room and they will form a hierarchy

A hierarchy of who's tallest, who's smartest, who is better at hand stands, whatever you want

I don't understand the point your saying in relation to socialism, if anything that signifies capitalism

The same leaders will rise to the top for the same reasons in a socialist society

Or a communist one

there is no "top" in a socialist society, its democracy at its highest.

The benevolent leader you describe does not climb that hierarchy. And when he does he gets killed