the best trained physicians

and the best universities bar non

that is why people from all over the world send their kids to study here and patients are sent here for special treatment

That's true. We have the best facilities in Nebraska where I am from

not to mention out of the top 20 most advanced hospitals literally *fifteen* are American

They send Ebola patients here all the time from across the world

@Egoy yea and so? heard of historical materialism? capitalism is in every way transitionary, that's why industrialisation can only happen effectively under capitalism.

Vampire OriToday at 8:37 AM
we have seen "how well" the education and medicine industry does in the USA under capitalism

objectively wrong

We have the Warren Buffet cancer out patient center. That's like the pinnacle of capitalism combined with medicine

they both have done very well under capitalism

once industrialised, it would begin the transition to socialism. And how many pioneers have the Soviet Union produced again, a nation almost ruined by two world wars and a civil war?

you realize historical materialism isnt an airtight theory

there are many criticisms to it

lmao soviet union literally played catch up the entire cold war

even when they tried to copy our technologies they couldnt match up

they simply could not allocate resources efficiently at all

Prisoners??? At least we aren't running gulags

Obviously, compare the Russian empire to the USA at the onset of WW1. One practically industrialised and one was rural and agrarian.

comparing the SU and the USA is comparing apples to oranges

Have you even read the gulag archipelago??

was it because the "intellectual" bolsheviks killed off everyone useful?

seems normal for communist revolutions

and yet, just 40 years after the Russian revolution, the SU launched the first satellite N space.

I'd rather go to prison than quietly disappear

@Egoy I'm talking about the Russian empire at WW1.

I don't support communism or bolehevism, anyway.

and yet, the ussr collapsed after hundreds of millions of deaths and plunged that region into economic decay that remains today

as I said, the collapse of the Soviet Union was the result of poor leadership and poor economic planning by the Politburo. nothing to do with socialism or communism anyway, the Union would have lived if not for a certain someone

at least no oligarchs controlling everything

Ok let's talk about leadership then

I think no matter what you do, the same leaders will always make to the top

that's the bourgeois in a nutshell

yeah i think marxists conveniently eliminate the human condition in their laboratory-safe conditions

So then why blame it on the leadership?

If it will just continue to repeat itself?

@Egoy your conflating human nature with human behaviour lol. Read Peter kropotkin, he has clearly debunked the overused fallacy.

@raqdog that's the bourgeois, lol.

"We may summarize the Marxian doctrine in this way: In the beginning there are the 'material productive forces', i.e., the technological equipment of human productive efforts, the tools and machines. No question concerning their origin is permitted; they are, that is all; we must assume that they are dropped from heaven."

so? I don't understand the implication of the point your saying anyway. I'm not a Marxist, anyway.

It's the way hierarchal structures function