Socialism IS a communal goal? Or socialism NEEDS a communal goal? That's the difference here

why do we need a competitive nature? the state, or the people actually, have far more resources than to innovate under a capitalist society, where you depend on your own capital. Innovation would skyrocket under socialism, because innovation under capitalism is only driven by profit

socialism is a communal goal

achieved by the working class united

People who generate the most successful ideas and markets in a capitalist society are hardly ever driven by just profit. Their companies end up being sustained by it and thrive off of profit because people want more of it. And it's a useful byproduct that sustains more innovation

How do you see a Silicon Valley emerge in a socialist society?

Or a spacex?

Or an amazon?

Or Walmart

oh no, this profit only benefits the bourgeois, ever since do the workers enjoy the fruits of their own labour? Profit keeps the capitalist system going, if not it would collapse. No matter what the capitalists are on a personal level, without profit, there would be no capitalism

@raqdog they would be all communally owned by the people, and thus far more resources would be allocated to it

Walgreens didn't even use a business model that accounts for profit. They accounted for number customer visits.

so how would a company operate without profit?

there would be no incentive to

just look at pathetic NASA

only has a budget of 20 billion

If they used a business model that focused on profit they wouldn't have even come up with the idea to place a store every few blocks

while the US military has a budget of 500 billion dollars to fund imperialism

@raqdog so how would a business be sustained without profit?

tell me that

NASA has no goal

pathetic, right?

channeling funds into the military

instead of investing into science

Their goal for the last year was to maintain the space station, as per congressional law

Or last several years I mean

yea, when the space race was over, there was no reason to extend it

Our military is the largest threat deterrent and humanitarian effort on the planet

yes, I'm pretty sure Latin American nations faced posed a threat to the USA in the 60s and 70s militarily

ever heard of Chile attempting to land in San Francisco to establish socialism?

A business sustains it self on profit, but also on risk, gotta take risk

yes and so?

Well that's why the military is a deterrent

It deters conflicts.

HAHAH

It's a very difficult metric to quantify. You can't list the number of conflicts you deter. You'll never know

Did Latin America ever wanted to get into a conflict with the US?

you created wars which cost trillions of dollars

overthrow governments

Do they have the option to even want to?

and set the stage ripe for the rise of isis