Message from @raqdog

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2018-10-31 14:58:29 UTC  

If the people willingly choose a dictator

2018-10-31 14:58:34 UTC  

That is democracy

2018-10-31 15:00:28 UTC  

so people collectively deciding on imposing nuclear suicide on the human race is equally democratic then

2018-10-31 15:00:54 UTC  

That is an absurd scenario, but yes.

2018-10-31 15:01:11 UTC  

If democracy is pure then whatever wins, wins.

2018-10-31 15:01:37 UTC  

It isn't like the people of Brazil don't know who Bolsonaro is

2018-10-31 15:01:43 UTC  

It is why they voted for him

2018-10-31 15:02:23 UTC  

democracy in your context could not care about outcomes.

2018-10-31 15:02:40 UTC  

again with the contextual example I used

2018-10-31 15:03:24 UTC  

That is democracy in any context.

2018-10-31 15:03:30 UTC  

It is what the definition is

2018-10-31 15:03:35 UTC  

The will of the people

2018-10-31 15:08:55 UTC  

the will of the people does not account for outcomes lol

2018-10-31 15:09:29 UTC  

but obviously, we have some ounce of rationality in our society even with uneducateds in it, so that isn't happening

2018-10-31 15:11:36 UTC  

That isn't democracy then

2018-10-31 15:11:49 UTC  

Democracy includes the uneducated

2018-10-31 15:25:36 UTC  

Pure democracy is dangerous, right? Why not let the smartest people in a Gaussian distribution make the decisions.

2018-10-31 15:26:14 UTC  

2 standard deviations above the rest only

2018-10-31 15:27:18 UTC  

IQ doesn't inherently make people decent human beings

2018-10-31 15:27:29 UTC  

That's dangerous too, but a better alternative

2018-10-31 15:29:05 UTC  

No, it doesn't. But you don't want the decision makers to be too morally inflated.

2018-10-31 15:30:07 UTC  

I dunno where to find a balance. Probably the way the US does it, we have a good balance of cold hard truth and coddling ourselves like infants

2018-10-31 15:30:54 UTC  

The US is far from a democracy

2018-10-31 15:31:40 UTC  

I never said it was

2018-10-31 15:34:09 UTC  

They do a good job balancing the duality though. Seems like the power shifts every election cycle between what's expediently moral, and hard truths that need to be discussed in order to get desired outcomes in the long run

2018-10-31 15:34:47 UTC  

The courts are more powerful than any other branch

2018-10-31 15:34:51 UTC  

And not much gets done

2018-10-31 15:37:51 UTC  

I don't think they are that powerful. Not unless you listen to the recent far left media portrayals. Ben Sasse from Nebraska does a good job summing up why it seems that way

2018-10-31 15:38:41 UTC  

He spoke a bit during the kavanagh ford inquiry

2018-10-31 15:38:42 UTC  

The courts can block anything they want

2018-10-31 15:38:51 UTC  

Individual federal judges can block executive orders

2018-10-31 15:39:00 UTC  

Whoever controls scotus controls everything

2018-10-31 15:41:07 UTC  

And legislative laws can be vetoed

2018-10-31 15:41:18 UTC  

It's all as designed. Nothing has changed

2018-10-31 15:42:40 UTC  

Progress should be slow and arduous. The best way to keep people happy. Is no one should get 100% their way

2018-10-31 15:44:01 UTC  

Fastest way to corruption and the rule of money

2018-10-31 15:44:28 UTC  

Executive orders should be constrained though

2018-10-31 15:45:21 UTC  

Corruption occurs in any hierarchy. And hierarchies are inevitable no matter how the cards are dealt

2018-10-31 15:52:35 UTC  

Well, socialism is the purest form of democracy to an extent

2018-10-31 15:53:07 UTC  

because the people collectively make the decisions, unlike in businesses today where workplace democracy isn't that much widespread or influential anyway

2018-10-31 16:22:10 UTC  

Yeah, but the default human condition isn't to necessarily want to be educated and knowledgeable about how to effectively participate in a democracy. Some people just content being dumb. If anything that's a preferable form of existence. When I see ads telling people to go out and blindly vote, I always smh