Message from @spursfan82
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Tell me again why are they the Left?
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https://www.africanstand.com/news/africa/east-africa/china-to-take-over-zambias-international-airport-for-debt-repayment/amp/ Africa for Africans more like Chinese amirite
https://www.news24.com/Columnists/MelanieVerwoerd/afriforum-is-taking-us-to-the-edge-of-the-abyss-20180912 News24 can go and suck it! Funny how this is published today and they have nothing related to Afriforum joining hands with COPE to take this issue to the international community. Disgusting!
I guess if your surname is Verwoerd you gotta signal your virtue non-stop
I don't know why anyone still read news24 anyway
@spursfan82 suppose that's what happens when a woman doesn't have a reasonable man around to keep her feelings in check anymore... Feelings end up dictating reason, instead of the man reasoning with her feelings.
@Franwilder you should still read it, just don't take it seriously is all.
@Sheamus Its hard to get through these articles. Full of slander.
I know that to some, when Ernst spoke in parliament, he may have come across aggressive. But fuck, we should be aggressively against EWC! There was nothing racist about what he said.
@spursfan82 I believe that he has expressed the AfriForum position allot better on previous occasions. What is really interesting from the AfriForum presentation was not what Erns said, or how he said it. It was the way in which he was attacked without any protection in a forum supposedly designed to allow all view points to be heard without fear or favor. If nothing else, AfriForum succeeded in exposing the very real threat for any one who opposes EWC.
@ABear He was really passionate! I thought it was great. What do you think of Mosiuoa Lekota?
I think Mr. Lekota is as strong as they come. He remains true to himself and committed to the path that was chosen during 1994 and he is doing so in the face of tremendous opposition. But I fear it matters very little. Politics is a numbers game and I am not convinced that the likes of Cope and the DA will be able to pose any obstacle to the direction the ANC has chosen for this country.
well.. especially not the DA
@spursfan82 I don't really believe the DA has moved dramatically from their political trajectory. I have always believed them to be progressively more liberal every passing year. I think that many people mistakenly believe the DA being a party interested in, if not protecting, at least supporting the interest of the white population. But the DA is not a white party by any stretch of imagination. I would classify the DA as a democratic socialists party. They certainly support the notion of capitalism and a free market system to a much greater extent than does the other major "Marxist" parties, but, as the Facebook post demonstrates, market share will dictate that they must increasing support socialist policies to ensure growth and relevance.
@spursfan82 The policies of cope and the DA sounds very similar. But you are likely to find statements which appears being at odds in the same policy documents of both parties. On the one hand you will find both parties professing that they stand for "non-racial, non-sexist democratic governance". However, both parties expressly support policies aimed at addressing inequality and diversifying the economy. In other words policies aimed to prejudice and discriminate on racial and sexual grounds.
I've never really looked into cope until now.
I remember a while back the DA and cope were about to team up but it fell apart at the last minute.
Cope won 0.67% of the votes during the 2014 elections. The DA 22.23%. together they have less than 23%.
Do you think EFF will gain some more voters in 2019?
More than the 6.35% but I doubt that they will really increase significantly. The ANC will probably win some of the support back that it lost the last few rounds of elections. All and all I think the balance of power will remain spread out along the same lines as it presently is.
@spursfan82 I really dont know how Ernst could come accross as agressive lol, or even racist for that matter. He was just firm in his stance, he doesnt sway to peoples emotions, and thats what bugs them. A person who's steadfast in reason cannot have their feelings exploited, such a person cannot be swayed the other way. Let the people feel, afterall it is their own hell they create, their own misery, and their own suffering because they just refuse to acknowledge or accept the facts and truths. Anyone reasonable watching can see who the enemies of the truth is, the liars and the ignorant. So what if they are bigger in numbers, the bigger the echo chamber, the more ignorant the fools are. It's a damn shame, but the world is watching, and they are witnessing the truth none the less.
@Sheamus and @spursfan82 have you guys considered the strategy of the ANC on EWC and the various responses and how it plays into their hands. I find it a very interesting chess match and one, I am sad to say, I believe the ANC is presently winning. However, I believe their victory will be short lived and will come at a much greater cost than the ANC anticipates.
@ABear yeah! are you saying their short-lived victory come at great cost to the ANC?
Yes, but really to South Africans in general.
how so?
@ABear it's a game no doubt, and they are winning by their own crooked rules. but make no mistake, they only win because their opposition doesn't lower themselves to play that game.
No... they are winning because they are playing it smarter than most. So this take on it. They knew they had enough votes to pass EWC in Feb but chose not to do so at that time. They embarked on the farce of public participation and they did so to apiece their critics. They silenced Malema who was very vocal and increasingly calling for violence against white people until Australia came out in support of a visa for white SA farmers on humanitarian grounds. Malema has toned his warlord like tone down significantly since than even suggesting that white people is welcome here. And than something interesting happened. The ANC started to punt the idea that the constitution in its present format already allows for EWC. Even more interesting was the announcement by the ANC that they "have listened to the people" and are going to roll out EWC to test the constitution as it stands, which everyone criticized as premature. However, I think it was genius. Ever since that announcement an increasing number of academics and business leaders has come out in support of the idea that the constitution presently allows for EWC and that no change is required or that a cosmetic amendment will be sufficient. That is exactly what I believe the ANC wanted...
Most of the speakers apposing EWC during the parliamentary inquiry supported the idea that the constitution presently allows for EWC and this is why I think they did so. The constitution as it stands require that a court must decide on if compensation is required given a very specific case. The Expropriation act will be amended to bring it in line with the constitution in this regard with a provision that eviction shall be effected upon delivery of the expropriation notice. That way the land will immediately be taken. Any local or international opposition will be stifled because the government will argue, correctly, that the evicted person has the right to claim compensation through a court process which we all know will be protracted and only settled years after eviction. The international community will have no choice from a political point of view other than to allow it to play out in the courts.