Message from @Pelth
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they didn't have wages generally
it was very much a barter economy
NK is starving and the leader is making them love it
you're an idiot, we're literally discussing the creation of the tradesmen classes and now you're claiming they didn't have wages
you're an actual idiot
you have no idea of what you're talking about at all
lol so says the weirdo that worshipps china
lol lets worship a loser country
@CallMeTruckson why are you so upset about china?
Your currency was your products and your skills. There were coins here and there but that would not have been used as much as services and goods.
@WP because foot binding, china and china, and a little of china and falun gong and ramen
@Pelth you're talking about serfs. once people became freemen they had to earn a living. you don't know anything about middle ages or early modern history
china is dumb country, it has been since ancient times
@Pelth you need to stop. you don't know what you're talking about and don't have an argument
you don't understand what a serf is
@Pelth a serf is someone who is bound to land. you need to stop. this is not a conversation between equals. you don't understand anything about this
they were nothing like SLAVES
china loves da opium, and the noodle
@Pelth for example the slaves in americas enjoyed very nice lives compared to the serfs in the middle ages
the NK are hostages
serfdom was really just a protection contract where you paid taxes in the form of the products of your labor pretty much
@Pelth infact the slaves in america had better lives than serfs still in europe such as eastern europe where serfdom still existed
forced public executions, eveyone has to watch
@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom
@WP but the dalits had it worst, and china still sucks
hardly anybody could read, nobody needed to read back then
there wasn't anything TO read
hello
@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression
@WP different time period, thats like sayint the cavemen had a higher deathrate so they are dumber
@CallMeTruckson same time period
the serfs only worked as much as they needed to survive pretty much
there were some exceptions here and there of tyranny but that was short lived at best
@Pelth they produced everything they could, and just that left them borderline starving, and then ontop of that shitty subsistence farming then the baron would take a tax
the serf was self sustainable and he gave part of surpluses in tax
@Pelth they lived off scraps of nutritionless grain. their lives were hell
@Pelth they weren't sustainable hence the constant famines. inbetween the famines even then most of them died as infants, if you didn't die as an infant then you probably died in childhood, and if you didn't die in childhood you probably died in adolesence
some serfs did trades and they would exchange their services for food and goods they needed