no porn, no cars, no blue jeanbs, only 1 of 12 haircuts

you have a delusional idea about what their lives were like

it's documented in history

@WP says you

through their remains, through the records of wages, of trade, of gdp per capita

NK is just a hub for china to make money

@Pelth https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/03/15/first-worldism-part-5-the-european-revolution/

they didn't have wages generally

it was very much a barter economy

NK is starving and the leader is making them love it

you're an idiot, we're literally discussing the creation of the tradesmen classes and now you're claiming they didn't have wages

you're an actual idiot

you have no idea of what you're talking about at all

lol so says the weirdo that worshipps china

lol lets worship a loser country

@CallMeTruckson why are you so upset about china?

Your currency was your products and your skills. There were coins here and there but that would not have been used as much as services and goods.

@WP because foot binding, china and china, and a little of china and falun gong and ramen

@Pelth you're talking about serfs. once people became freemen they had to earn a living. you don't know anything about middle ages or early modern history

china is dumb country, it has been since ancient times

@Pelth you need to stop. you don't know what you're talking about and don't have an argument

you don't understand what a serf is

@Pelth a serf is someone who is bound to land. you need to stop. this is not a conversation between equals. you don't understand anything about this

they were nothing like SLAVES

china loves da opium, and the noodle

@Pelth it was far worse than slavery really

no it's not the same at all

@Pelth for example the slaves in americas enjoyed very nice lives compared to the serfs in the middle ages

the NK are hostages

serfdom was really just a protection contract where you paid taxes in the form of the products of your labor pretty much

@Pelth infact the slaves in america had better lives than serfs still in europe such as eastern europe where serfdom still existed

forced public executions, eveyone has to watch

@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom

@WP but the dalits had it worst, and china still sucks

hardly anybody could read, nobody needed to read back then

there wasn't anything TO read

hello

@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression

@WP different time period, thats like sayint the cavemen had a higher deathrate so they are dumber

@CallMeTruckson same time period

the serfs only worked as much as they needed to survive pretty much