Message from @momoneymoproblems

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2018-12-15 03:12:19 UTC  

Its a de facto machine gun ban

2018-12-15 03:13:08 UTC  

Like, the things I think gun owners should be pushing for

>CMP being allowed to release surplus machine guns (m16s, m60's, etc.)
>CC Reciprocity
>HPA

These are thing that it's not hard to convince moderates on

2018-12-15 03:15:55 UTC  

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2018-12-15 03:18:23 UTC  

Lol people are scared already of machine guns, look at the bump stock panic, some people even think ar15s are machine guns due to misinformation

As for CC some places have extremely restrictive rules on who can CC to the point where only people with connections can get permits, and some people are convinced CC permit holders are just going to randomly shoot people(see the teachers with guns in schools debate)

Also with HPA most people are still convinced that silencers are what you see in movies

Then you have the incrementalist thinking, where gun rights vs gun control is a tug of war type of thing where even if what you give to the other side is harmless, you're still losing

2018-12-15 03:18:55 UTC  

The thing to convince moderates on right now is that "assault weapon" and "high capacity" magazine bans are useless and unconstitutional

2018-12-15 03:22:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467577750325297162/523338945463844864/za5iowqnnesk0dxlzejsxg.png

2018-12-15 03:25:48 UTC  

Funny thing is gun control used to be about handgun control, they're used in the vast majority of homicides

2018-12-15 03:26:02 UTC  

Americans like their handguns though, so they moved on to "assault weapons"

2018-12-15 03:26:21 UTC  

And the more the media freaks about ar15s, the more people buy them

2018-12-15 03:29:04 UTC  

Funny thing about all of this is that i'm not even right leaning, im just a center left libertarian that likes to call out the democrats for their shit lol

2018-12-15 03:30:23 UTC  

Assault weapons is a nebulous term so that Democrats can manage to slowly encroach on rights

2018-12-15 03:30:52 UTC  

Yep

2018-12-15 03:31:35 UTC  

Even in the original AWB it banned stuff like the tec 9 and street sweeper shotgun

2018-12-15 03:31:57 UTC  

And in washington state I1639 redefines all semi auto rifles as "semi automatic assault rifles"

2018-12-15 03:32:02 UTC  

Yes, even 10/22s

2018-12-15 03:33:29 UTC  

In Australia our gun ban is overstated heavily by American media

2018-12-15 03:34:07 UTC  

It is, the buyback didnt even confiscate half of australia's guns and now australia has more guns than they did before the buyback

2018-12-15 03:34:26 UTC  

It also didn't have a significant impact on homicides or suicides afaik

2018-12-15 03:34:42 UTC  

I imagine there's a lot of "mysterious" trips to the outback with lots of brass and lead

2018-12-15 03:35:02 UTC  

People like to focus on gun deaths though, "look guys, banning guns lowered gun deaths", but overall deaths remain unchanged

2018-12-15 03:35:44 UTC  

Well people who want to kill themselves will do it another way obviously

2018-12-15 03:36:08 UTC  

The idea that you need to ban guns to stop people from choosing to take their own lives is incredibly insulting

2018-12-15 03:36:10 UTC  

You can still get a weapon if you wanted to go that way, you just need a reason like hunting

2018-12-15 04:18:10 UTC  

they recently banned a bolt action ar upper in straya

2018-12-15 04:32:26 UTC  

I mean...

2018-12-15 04:32:36 UTC  

maybe it could've been mistake for something a lot deadlier

2018-12-15 04:32:41 UTC  

and fearmongering.

2018-12-15 04:32:49 UTC  

sure, it's bullshit, but understandable.

2018-12-15 04:33:06 UTC  

australia also had a panic over lever action shotguns recently

2018-12-15 04:33:23 UTC  

pretty sure they put them in the most restrictive category

2018-12-15 04:33:27 UTC  

wait there are lever action shotguns?

2018-12-15 04:34:36 UTC  

I only know a very actual specific types of firearms. I'm not an expert on anything, but I'm not a fucking moron.

2018-12-15 04:35:31 UTC  

Yeah there's the winchester 1887, that's an older design but newer designs were made for australia
asutralia put pump shotguns in a pretty restricted category, but lever action ones weren't. So in australia lever action shotguns were pretty popular as a result, but then they got pushed to the most restricted category(i believe worse than pump action)

2018-12-15 04:36:09 UTC  

Ah, I see.

2018-12-15 04:36:27 UTC  

that's probably why I've never heard of them. pump and semi-auto are more common here

2018-12-15 04:37:31 UTC  

My father has a 20 gauge pump and a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun.

2018-12-15 04:37:58 UTC  

they're like, antiques with how old they are though, and they work perfectly fucking fine.

2018-12-15 04:38:50 UTC  

Yeah I own a mosin nagant carbine manufactured in 1942 and it holds up well, only issue was the stock had a crack on it but i glued it and the stock doesnt impact functionality

2018-12-15 04:38:59 UTC  

Ah.

2018-12-15 04:39:15 UTC  

are guns just like, built really shitty these days or something?