lol

why do people qoute malcom x?

he was dumb as hell too

```After his Hajj, Malcolm X articulated a view of white people and racism that represented a deep change from the philosophy he had supported as a minister of the Nation of Islam. In a famous letter from Mecca, he wrote that his experiences with white people during his pilgrimage convinced him to "rearrange" his thinking about race and "toss aside some of [his] previous conclusions".[263] In a conversation with Gordon Parks, two days before his assassination, Malcolm said:

[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.

Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant‍—‌the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together‍—‌and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then‍—‌like all [Black] Muslims‍—‌I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.

That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days‍—‌I'm glad to be free of them.[264]```

That first part is eerily familiar

What he says to that white girl

only thing he said intelligent was knowing that black votes were for white liberals

This gives me a little bit of hope

If even Malcom X can eventually become less racist, maybe the left can, too

wow its almost like

malcom x wasnt for an ethnostate after all

This part is because he apparently changed his mind late in life

maybe pointless tribalism is worthless

and american exceptionalism is where it's at

So, I'll just come back to say that you seem to think that I was arguing for an ethnostate and I definitely wasn't. Just because DNA is different doesn't mean it's what countries should be based on.

Isn't that his point entirely?

All DNA is really different, ergo organizing society on it is foolish?

IDK, I'm not completely sure we actually disagreed

TBH I think e.g. Richard Spencer would resolve the mixed-race thing by just saying that cross-race breeding is a capital offense or something

Like, in a world carved up into ethno-states.

That seems pretty extreme.

As far as I can tell, he doesn't really have a theory of anything like rights

It seems more about survival/propagation

I mean, the whole Hispanic "race" is just mixed native/European

He might think they can have their own state or something, but that would get real complicated real fast

Yep.

Richard Spencer makes not sense to me

I dunno, just doesn't seem like the most stable basis for national foundations.

Just carve out a geographical area and form a distinct culture like all the other prosperous modern nations.

I'm sure he'd then argue that race and culture are inextricably linked, and that's another hour of my time gone.

Thanks, hypothetical Richard Spencer. I could have used that hypothetical hour.

He seems pretty intelligent to me, but also very wrong

I was very disappointed in the debate with him and Sargon and a few other folks

My understanding was that it wasn't very productive, yes.

They pretty much just called him names and never really addressed the substance of his point

Which kinda made him look like the smarter one

And he probably actually is, to be honest

But his particular points weren't even...that hard to answer

It just kinda felt like Sargon and friends had never really considered that e.g. people in power have a degree of impunity that regular citizens don't enjoy, generally speaking

Spencer understood that

He just seemed to not think it's bad per se, or not be in the hands of the right people, or something