Message from @NippleKing

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2018-01-10 19:04:20 UTC  

I'd say liberalism is a generally positive demeanor to altering existing social constructs and laws to allow more people to feel more freedom in the way they live their life

2018-01-10 19:04:55 UTC  

That's authrotianism if your forcing rules on others, not liberalism

2018-01-10 19:05:12 UTC  

Through democracy?

2018-01-10 19:05:21 UTC  

Oh referencing the puritans

2018-01-10 19:05:36 UTC  

I wouldn't say progressivism is an escalation of liberalism as progressivism seems fine with barring previous freedoms in favor of their own definition of "progress"

2018-01-10 19:05:37 UTC  

Through democracy is the more complex bit

2018-01-10 19:05:41 UTC  

Like how we have them on both ends

2018-01-10 19:05:56 UTC  

if they think shutting down this one freedom to protect what they think the future will look like they will

2018-01-10 19:06:07 UTC  

Let's get some extreme polar opposites, for some ground

2018-01-10 19:06:13 UTC  

And for such superficial reasons.

2018-01-10 19:06:26 UTC  

it's generally because it makes them feel good lol

2018-01-10 19:06:35 UTC  

How is "oh, you might offend this group of people", any different from, "oh, you might offend the government?"

2018-01-10 19:06:47 UTC  

Being steadfast in retaining and preserving the social and political structure as it is

2018-01-10 19:06:54 UTC  

it's warped hypocritical liberalism. Not liberalism pushed to an extreme

2018-01-10 19:07:07 UTC  

Regardless of any possible improvements that may be introduced

2018-01-10 19:07:28 UTC  

OR

2018-01-10 19:07:53 UTC  

A group of people have a face while the government doesn't; if you know what I mean

2018-01-10 19:08:12 UTC  

Stay caused it worked before or change cause it might be for the better

2018-01-10 19:08:12 UTC  

Being breaking down any boundaries that are, regardless of their protection or importance and stability they may provide

2018-01-10 19:08:50 UTC  

Everything is relevant and therefore everyone has equal power

2018-01-10 19:09:01 UTC  

Those are the two polar opposites, right?

2018-01-10 19:09:25 UTC  

yeah pretty much

2018-01-10 19:09:59 UTC  

So where is the common ground in these two

2018-01-10 19:10:27 UTC  

Assuming horse shoe theory

2018-01-10 19:11:12 UTC  

preserving certain values that help benefit or don't harm while getting rid of values that don't benefit and may harm

2018-01-10 19:11:17 UTC  

Wanting to exist and retain existence

2018-01-10 19:11:56 UTC  

the problem is some values may seem harmful or inane but do more than that is apparent

2018-01-10 19:12:20 UTC  

and some values can be taken too far and become abusive

2018-01-10 19:13:24 UTC  

Well, there's also trying to change stuff without fully understanding what you're even trying to change. A perfect example of this is "the wage gap", wherein women make less money than men. It's easy to look at this and go "oh well that isn't right, we need to fix this."
The problem comes into play when no one bothers asking or looking into *why* this is the case.

2018-01-10 19:13:26 UTC  

Still. Maybe cause it moved ftom change since you hate what it was before to,change cause it benefits me or cause it makes me feel good.

2018-01-10 19:14:25 UTC  

Yeah that's mostly moral arbiting, jaden

2018-01-10 19:15:06 UTC  

not critisizing anyone, trying to follow this conversation, but i really dont know what anyone is talking about. like i know what your saying but im not sure what it relates to, and looking up through the chat didint help me figure out

2018-01-10 19:15:09 UTC  

You can make a group of people feel like they're doing what is morally good by supporting you. That's the democrats platform these days

2018-01-10 19:15:40 UTC  

Probably what its always been for all I know

2018-01-10 19:15:48 UTC  

It's the strong, supportive patriarchal figure and the protective, quixotic matriarchal figure

2018-01-10 19:15:49 UTC  

I think it's just a general conversation about ideas, I'm not sure what the precise topic of discussion is. lol

2018-01-10 19:16:14 UTC  

mostly discussing what consists of progressivism i guess

2018-01-10 19:16:16 UTC  

You need both to be in some sort of balance

2018-01-10 19:16:32 UTC  

mk

2018-01-10 19:17:08 UTC  

yeah it's not "out with the old, in with the new" it's "out with the structurally unsound, in with the structurally sound/beneficial"