indvidual rights above group rights.

More like not everyone will know how to handle individual freedom.

How many of us would rather be guided sheep. Stuck but content with doing one thing

No ambition or will to improve oneself.

if we all had 100% freedom we would be overwhelmed by biological motiviation

I’m truly failing to see what is so hard to understand about a group of people making government their bitch rather than collectively being subservient to government

whether it be violence, drug use, stealing

Collectivism appeals to the people who are aware of their personal weaknesses and want the collective to compensate for them.

Hmm guess its a small govt vs big govt

Individualism is an ideology for people who want no responsibles and have no ambition in life.

I wish that made sense

I think we saw responsibility differently.

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get out of my memespace you facists

But I could argue that an individual would do better with ambition if not chained by collective doctrine.

Well, it is beneficial for us to work together and compensate for each other's weaknesses, as it does make the whole better. The split comes when some want to *force* people to cover for other people's weaknesses.

Well its just punishment vs incentivising.

You are incentivised to compensate for anothers weakness in capitalism.

Yes, but you still have the choice, whereas you don't if you're being forced.

Collective doctrine gives people something to work for were individualism only brings nihilism for most people.

Yes I personally need the government to force me to not be suicidal this is true

this is a bit meta

Heres the thing then. Not everyone can handle being free.

Like showing the entire deck in HS as opposed to showing parts of it.

Overwhealmed by choice as they say.

Yeah, it can form a sense of purpose and cohesion. I mean, I don't want to start any kind of debate since I'm just using it as an example, but I am Christian, and that's made me far more content with my life and given me a purpose more than anything else beforehand.

Goverment has nothing to do with it people need a group identity for a sense of purpose.

group identity?

inb4 the hate. lol

Well you aint wrong there, but at the same time it results in mob mentality

@JadenFrostwolf why do you expect hate 🤔

What if it simply makes the collective resistant to change in general.

Well, I'm used to the "lol your a Christian?!" kind of responses. lol

lmfao i'm over that

Like the leftists, blm, sjws and antifa. Are these not the results we feared should collectivism take root.

How do you prevent those first

a corporation is a collective

But yeah, it can result in mob mentality, which is why we do need individual freedoms, just not taken to an extreme.

@ping you know nationality, ethic, racial and or religious.

Well I mean there are benefits

The question now is how do you deal with well, unruly collectives while respecting their rights to assemble.