Either he'll be at the head of it, and it may or may not go well, or he'll find it more stressful than he originally thought and then hand the reins to someone else.

Arguably everyonr is part something and that changes often

Unlike gender..

i think the issue with collectivism on the left stems from the lack of seperation between ideas and action

Well, that's what family's are... collectives. Same thing with friends, and clubs, and coworkers, and gaming with your guild on MMOs...

Like how many would like the idea behind the new label and what bakes it different from libertarian

you can propose potentially bad solutions but not act upon them

which is obvious to any conservative

These Ideas have and never will be implamented because they will never work. They only appeal a small percentage of the population.

which ideas

indvidual rights above group rights.

More like not everyone will know how to handle individual freedom.

How many of us would rather be guided sheep. Stuck but content with doing one thing

No ambition or will to improve oneself.

if we all had 100% freedom we would be overwhelmed by biological motiviation

I’m truly failing to see what is so hard to understand about a group of people making government their bitch rather than collectively being subservient to government

whether it be violence, drug use, stealing

Collectivism appeals to the people who are aware of their personal weaknesses and want the collective to compensate for them.

Hmm guess its a small govt vs big govt

Individualism is an ideology for people who want no responsibles and have no ambition in life.

I wish that made sense

I think we saw responsibility differently.

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get out of my memespace you facists

But I could argue that an individual would do better with ambition if not chained by collective doctrine.

Well, it is beneficial for us to work together and compensate for each other's weaknesses, as it does make the whole better. The split comes when some want to *force* people to cover for other people's weaknesses.

Well its just punishment vs incentivising.

You are incentivised to compensate for anothers weakness in capitalism.

Yes, but you still have the choice, whereas you don't if you're being forced.

Collective doctrine gives people something to work for were individualism only brings nihilism for most people.

Yes I personally need the government to force me to not be suicidal this is true

this is a bit meta

Heres the thing then. Not everyone can handle being free.

Like showing the entire deck in HS as opposed to showing parts of it.

Overwhealmed by choice as they say.

Yeah, it can form a sense of purpose and cohesion. I mean, I don't want to start any kind of debate since I'm just using it as an example, but I am Christian, and that's made me far more content with my life and given me a purpose more than anything else beforehand.

Goverment has nothing to do with it people need a group identity for a sense of purpose.

group identity?

inb4 the hate. lol

Well you aint wrong there, but at the same time it results in mob mentality

@JadenFrostwolf why do you expect hate 🤔