Another point Ethnonats get is that, western society can't go into a non-western nation and fix that nation.

That nation has to change from within.

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It's the whole "giving a man a fish vs teaching a man to fish" thing.

Western Society developed where it did, I would challenge, not as a result of race, but as a result of trade.

>There will come a point where our quality of life will be so great that we won't even need money, but again, this is way into the future.
If there is no money, there will be no freedom

I'm inclined to agree.

if you are implying a world without freedom, it is possible

If we fall to a one world government

Are the two really so intrinsically linked?

I just don't see it lasting very long

there would be no competition.

Either that, or we'd fall to intense corporatism, and that's pretty scary, too.

(not that we don't already have that)

Nations should be able to compete.

Hell, I think the states in the US should be more in competition with one another

That's how the best ideas come forward.

all hail the free market

On a city level, on a state level, on a global level, that's where the way forward exists.

I know it's a bit of a utopian idea, but what do we do as the quality of life rises to the point where we don't even have to work in a lot of ways? Many jobs are falling into automation, and it's only going to get worse, to the point where even *now* we're whispering about UBI.

I totally agree with @RyeNorth on this

competition is essential. It's simple darwinism

I said in this chat before about some talk about California. Let them do whatever they want and let bad ideas fail

And the federal government should exist to protect the people, but not the individual state.

I think UBI is inevitable, but I don't think that means communism

If the state is going to fail, it needs to be able to.

The perfect human society is one in which natural selection continues to refine the human race

UBI might be the more realistic 'middleground' between communism and what we have now, I would agree. Don't get me wrong, I think the free market solves a lot of problems, and was only talking about where things could go into the far future.

and to Jaden's point, even if we automate, unless we achieve singularity, people will still have jobs.

And new jobs will come with new technologies, yeah.

Or perhaps one in which humans are most capable of adapting to their surroundings

In some socialist society how are people supposed to adapt if their existence is supported solely by the government?

I just want IQ cleansing

for a gay universe

just make everyone watch R&M

IQ problem = solved

Kisetsu ga Kawaru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomblgvNEaw

to be honest, I never truly got that show, it looks stupid; along with Steven Universe and Adventure Time

adventure time is made of love

Adventure Time is actually kinda dark when you look at it.