Essentially, it bought time for a propaganda war to be fought, to try to fight for sympathy for the plight of the 'Dreamer'.

And I'm not *entirely* unsympathetic, either. But there's no fair way to do this.

Let's say, for instance, we only deport criminals.

The mother has a clean record. The child is in school. The father has a DUI accident that injured someone, while uninsured and unlicensed.

How would your proposed system handle this?

That sucks, good bye daddy.

So now the child grows up in a single-parent home?

you've separated the family unit.

No, I've not, they can move back with him.

I mean, I guess.

I still don't like that the citizenship that our Legal immigrants earned through years of effort is cheapened by a decree of amnesty.

Would this amnesty apply to those who are here on their visa working towards citizenship anyway?

you could start them at the point of an immigrant just coming in with a work visa

but yeah, giving them preferential treatment compared to legal immigrants would be... bad...

I mean, legal immigrants actually have to invest a lot of time and money into immigration

As is the case with most things legal and not

If you're willing to cut corners and do things illegally, you can generally do things easier, cheaper, etc.

Changing laws and requirements due to the already illegal actions of any group typically serves to hurt those who operate legally. Plenty of examples to back that up, as well. Many topical.

Enforcement of existing laws is the only just starting point.

when every country is a shithole, then no one will need to worry about immigration ... i think that is the plan of some people....

And it defeats the purpose of those laws to begin with.

It's like saying, "Eh, there's too many murders going on in Chicago. Better just pardon the whole lot."

I'm in favor of the children of illegal immigrants not being citizens, just like the children of refugees/migrants not being citizens of the countries they were born in, because they're not.

I think in order to be considered a citizen, at least *one* of your parents has to be a legal citizen.

This solves a whole lot of problems.

"But what if they have no citizenship anywhere? What if their home countries won't take them back?"
I don't think that'll happen nearly as much as people are afraid it will, but eh, we'll figure that out.

We can't let the outlier define the rule.

guess what happens if you don't define the rule by the outlier... everyone somehow seems to forget what country they came from.

...what? lol

"we deport you to mexico" - "but i'm not from mexico" - "so where are you from?" - "why would i tell you?"

you HAVE to account for that

Go by the nationality of the parents.

why would they tell you?

Well they obviously came from somewhere.

sure

how do you know where they were coming from?

I think it's a safe bet if they only speak spanish, look latino, and don't have any legal documentation and are here illegally in the first place.

spain?

..you do know that there are vast differences between Spain and Mexico, right? Even Mexican "Spanish" is not even 'proper' Spanish anymore.

i do know that... can you prove it?