Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2018-03-05 02:29:37 UTC  

well french use sexe

2018-03-05 02:30:14 UTC  

good luck trying to fix German if they are trying to make it "gender neutral"

2018-03-05 02:30:20 UTC  

even then though latin languages are also the most common languages to have a word with multiple definitions

2018-03-05 02:30:35 UTC  

and have those words transfer from verb to noun

2018-03-05 02:31:03 UTC  

also boats have genders apparently

2018-03-05 02:31:06 UTC  

but not sex

2018-03-05 02:31:09 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend is there no other language in which there is multiple words that mean the same thing?

2018-03-05 02:31:21 UTC  

yes there are

2018-03-05 02:31:23 UTC  

i think most languages do grenade

2018-03-05 02:31:51 UTC  

which is why "they use gender insted of sex because sex can also be a verb" is a weak argument

2018-03-05 02:32:14 UTC  

asking for the "sex" is also informal

2018-03-05 02:32:15 UTC  

its also not how science works

2018-03-05 02:32:25 UTC  

asking "gender" is considered the formal way of asking it

2018-03-05 02:32:30 UTC  

language has nothing to do with science

2018-03-05 02:32:34 UTC  

this is language, not science

2018-03-05 02:32:56 UTC  

perhaps you shouldent have been arguing that gender is a scientific word earlier then

2018-03-05 02:33:01 UTC  

most languages follow irrational evolutions

2018-03-05 02:33:08 UTC  

pretty sure science usually refers to things officially by sex, unofficially by whatever is common colloquial language

2018-03-05 02:33:16 UTC  

because the verb for sex in science is reproduction

2018-03-05 02:33:24 UTC  

or compitulation

2018-03-05 02:33:28 UTC  

or insemination

2018-03-05 02:33:35 UTC  

you misrepresent his statements

2018-03-05 02:33:55 UTC  

gender has, in colloquial English, be the same as biological sex.

2018-03-05 02:34:11 UTC  

then i can easly say it doesent exist

2018-03-05 02:34:15 UTC  

that does not mean biological sex is called gender in science

2018-03-05 02:34:19 UTC  

and just use a different language

2018-03-05 02:34:20 UTC  

aren't you contributing to my point? if you say "sex" you assume the act, if you say "gender" you assume the binary definition which can _also_ be defined as "sex"

2018-03-05 02:34:22 UTC  

well, no words exists

2018-03-05 02:34:48 UTC  

all words are socially constructed

2018-03-05 02:34:56 UTC  

yes.. so?

2018-03-05 02:35:10 UTC  

"socially constructed" says nothing

2018-03-05 02:35:18 UTC  

so, then saying it doesn't exist because its not science, but language, is not really a good argument

2018-03-05 02:35:20 UTC  

everything is socially constructed

2018-03-05 02:35:51 UTC  

its not useful to me to have gender and sex mean the same thing because you will have people argue that gender means whatever they want it to mean while sex will never be touched, sex will simply be replaced and ultimately youll lose the argument in the long run

2018-03-05 02:36:12 UTC  

the other way around

2018-03-05 02:36:15 UTC  

>to me

that is not an argument, but a preference

2018-03-05 02:36:16 UTC  

i rather maintain concrete, historicaly fortuitious language which i can argue my points with

2018-03-05 02:36:33 UTC  

which is fine to have, but does not mean it will apply to anyone else

2018-03-05 02:36:35 UTC  

if gender becomes volatile and not useful, people will just use "sex"

2018-03-05 02:37:04 UTC  

and this is how we get to "biological sex is a social construct"

2018-03-05 02:37:10 UTC  

if gender becomes volatile and not useful it will be because people are using it for that purpose