Message from @Grenade123
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the problems of last jedi wernt really the progressivism, that probably reinforced it, but it wasent the real issue, it was actually full blown incompatency behind the writing
I think the two problems are deeply intertwined.
that movie doesent just ruin starwars, it ruined the last movie in the sequince and people had problems with that movie to start with
My main problem is that Rey never gets a fucking scratch one her and is just magically the best at everything with so little training.
Yeah that's awful
you look at the original trilogy and Luke fucking sucks at everything, constantly needing his buddies to save his ass. and only haft he disappears for god knows how long does he come back at all competent, and he still almost dies in the end
Luke is supposed to be extremely powerful, and it takes him years of training and failure to achieve anything.
yeah i dont really care to much about that in 8. i think they should have solved that, but at the same time i dont actually think RAY is even the main character in that movie, i think she has less than 50% screentime
also, what did they do to fucking luke?!
"i won't strike you down in anger....but'll kill this little kid here"
Yeah that was pretty bad,
i think luke is their culmination of incompatence and progressivism
"I don't want anyone to find me but i'll leave a map"
but the incompatence was a big factor in it
and all they had to do to fix that scene, is make snoke appear like it seemed kylo did
I don't know who that old hermit on the island was, but it wasn't Luke Skywalker.
same exact misunderstanding, but motive completely different
what you have to understand is that the key focus the writer for the last jedi had was "take any thing people want to see in this movie, and do the exact opposite"
the only thing he didint really subvert was ray and kylo
everything else was opposite world from what anyone wanted to see in starwars
is that really their motivation? or was he just that incompetent he didn't know how to remove all the old stuff to make new stuff in a good way
no it really was his motivation
its not just old stuff
do you have proof of this?
he ruined shit 7 set up
And that's why it's bad writing.
yes he did, but like i said, could just be he didn't know how to do things in a good way, and botched it entirely
Subversion for it's own sake is not a story.
wanted to remove everything and make his own in understandable, but intentionally do the complete opposite to make people hate it is an accusation that needs some evidence
also, its not like 7 set up much to start with
nah it wasent just "remove stuff to make it my own" because he never actually added anything
sure he did, he added rose and an animal abuse PSA
this movie starts with the characters running away and it ends with the characters running away
Like we expect Poe to be a hero. Someone who breaks the rules and saves the day. The subversion is that the qualities we expect to be present in a hero are in fact bad, and that he is fucking up the plan of the bitch commander. The bad writing is that there's no reason for the bitch commander not to simply inform Poe of what the plan is.
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"how do we make good movie? I know, conflict for conflicts sake!"
to be fair, one motivation is "we are not entirely sure how they followed us, so we are keeping things a secret" but that would require writing that in the explanation later.
there are so many tiny changes like that which make 8 salvageable that they just didn't.
We expect good leaders to understand their underlings and not cause mutinies, but the subversion is Holdo is a complete moron and refuses to encourage or inspire even the least bit of loyalty.
what i actually find interesting is wondering if theres actually anything they have lefft to make a 9th movie from
i want vice admiral gender studies to be a traitor for that subversion without reason